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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Korean law favors Korean men over Korean women. Men are listed and registered as the head of households, for example. Also, a foreign woman who marries a Korean man can become a Korean citizen much easier (than a foreign man who marries a Korean woman) under current laws. I've heard that this "double standard" is changing...slowly. |
Wasn't there some big reform to the family registry a few months ago, which had been long-sought by Korean women? I think men probably are still listed as heads of household, but it is a better situation now than it was year ago.
What extra hoops do foreign men have to go through? |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure I understand why you can't get an E-2 (not a new visa but permission to work) -- unless you mean because you don't want an employer? |
Casey's Moon,
If I want to teach English legally in Korea (even part-time), I still need an E-2 visa from an employer (e.g., hagwon, public school, company, etc.).
I've talked to several hagwon directors and company managers, who refused to sponsor my E-2 for part-time teaching, because they thought my F-2-1 makes me legal to teach. Unfortunately, it doesn't, and if caught by immigration, I would be facing a fine and a black mark on my record.
The other way for me to teach legally is to have my wife make and register an English home school business, and I can obtain a work permit through her sponsorship. (However, the second method would be easier if she were a Korean man instead of a Korean woman, and it's a little expensive for us at the moment.) |
Purple.. do you read anything I wrote?
You do NOT need your hagwon to sponsor you.. get your wife to do it. You need to get a work permit, not a work visa. You do still need a contract but the sponsorship is not from the hagwon, but your wife.
If the hagwon doesn't want to give you a contract, then there's no point in working for them. Fullstop. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| purple_buddha wrote: |
Korean law favors Korean men over Korean women. Men are listed and registered as the head of households, for example. Also, a foreign woman who marries a Korean man can become a Korean citizen much easier (than a foreign man who marries a Korean woman) under current laws. I've heard that this "double standard" is changing...slowly.
The cost of registering an English home school may not be that expensive. Paying for a franchise that enables one to register with the government is another story.
Currently, an HBEnglish home school franchise goes for 3 mil. won. YBM and Mrs. Key are other possibilities, but I don't know their fees. (YBM is most likely around 5 mil., and the prospective owner has to pass several exams to qualify.) Also, I'm not sure, if that fee covers any other materials, such as books, but it probably doesn't.
I don't know why my wife says we would have to buy a franchise. Maybe it's because she doesn't hold a business or an English degree and wouldn't be approved to set up her own business in that specialty.
I apologize for not having more definitive information on the home school topic, as my wife and I haven't delved very far into that possibility. We would need to relocate to a bigger apartment in Seoul, which requires more money than we currently have.
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I think your wife is misleading you. May be she thinks that if you are going to start a school, you might as well start it big?
Why does she need an English degree to open a school? Do Korean hagwon owners have English degrees? I don't think so.
If you need relevant qualifications to open a business.. there won't be any business around! Do you need to have a degree in retailing to open a mom and pop shop?
I've looked into this. My husband has a business. Applying for a business license is the easiest thing on Earth. I suggest you do a little more digging. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry Tzechuck but I checked into it.... you can't just run a hogkwan from your house, you actually have to have a diferent adddress and meet certain criteria... They even cracked down on Korean citizens running study appartments from their additional adresses /apartments. In short I have it on good authority that you can't run a business teaching in your own or different apartment. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| That option is officially out for me anyway, as my husband's job doesn't allow him to have a second job (public official). Oh well.... I really do wish there was a way to teach and be my own boss at the same time. |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
casey's.... here's what to do if you want to teach at home: get your husband to apply for a business license. Say that he wants to start a hagwon at your home. It is very, very easy to do and perfectly legal for you, as you will be, in effect, be *hired* by him. Make sure you don't get a work visa but a work permit instead, that way, they really have very little to hold against you, should they want to be pricks.
When your husband applies for this business license, have him state that part of the business area will be substitute teaching. You will be covered.
p.s. let's meet for lunch??? |
Actually, if your spouse was to register your home as a "kongbu bang", it will state on the license that he/she is not entitled to hire anyone to teach. It must be a one man/woman operation. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
casey's.... here's what to do if you want to teach at home: get your husband to apply for a business license. Say that he wants to start a hagwon at your home. It is very, very easy to do and perfectly legal for you, as you will be, in effect, be *hired* by him. Make sure you don't get a work visa but a work permit instead, that way, they really have very little to hold against you, should they want to be pricks.
When your husband applies for this business license, have him state that part of the business area will be substitute teaching. You will be covered.
p.s. let's meet for lunch??? |
Actually, if your spouse was to register your home as a "kongbu bang", it will state on the license that he/she is not entitled to hire anyone to teach. It must be a one man/woman operation. |
Okay, so why can't I open a kongbu bang myself? Because I'm not a Korean citizen? Is that the only way to be legal? What if I get permanent residency?
I realize that this might not be the best place to ask these questions, but I'm just mulling over options right now -- not ready to get serious about these possibilities yet. |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:08 am Post subject: you guys are stupid |
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Man, i read this thread and wonder what you are all doing? Duh, she opens a home school and how can I teach there ........? You have a F2 visa. She registers the school and opens it using her name (you don't let the government people there know about you), then you teach in the house. Seems really easy...it is a private residence and it is your home address with immigration...they can't push down the door to catch you teaching.....it is a PRIVATE RESIDENCE.... Basically they can't stop you and if they ask...DUH...LIE!
I did something like this for a year...I had huge banners on the street, flyers delivered to the apartments and a huge sign on the window saying it was me teaching....nobody came to check and nobody asked me about it. We made at least 10 million a month (i worked like a dog) and then I opened a real school with the profit.
Please stop asking about this. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: you guys are stupid |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
Man, i read this thread and wonder what you are all doing? Duh, she opens a home school and how can I teach there ........? You have a F2 visa. She registers the school and opens it using her name (you don't let the government people there know about you), then you teach in the house. Seems really easy...it is a private residence and it is your home address with immigration...they can't push down the door to catch you teaching.....it is a PRIVATE RESIDENCE.... Basically they can't stop you and if they ask...DUH...LIE!
I did something like this for a year...I had huge banners on the street, flyers delivered to the apartments and a huge sign on the window saying it was me teaching....nobody came to check and nobody asked me about it. We made at least 10 million a month (i worked like a dog) and then I opened a real school with the profit.
Please stop asking about this. |
I started the thread. I am the "SHE" in this marriage. My husband can't open a business as he is a public official -- he has a job and is not allowed to have a second job.
We "guys" may be stupid, but you seem to lack basic reading skills.
And you're a bit of an arse for assuming that the "SHE" in every Korean/Western marriage is Korean. |
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Veronica

Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| But once you have an F2, getting an E2 is just a simple trip to immigration. You can walk away from an E2 at any time, and for the sake of a simple trip, is it worth trying to 'find ways around' not getting the E2? |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Veronica wrote: |
| But once you have an F2, getting an E2 is just a simple trip to immigration. You can walk away from an E2 at any time, and for the sake of a simple trip, is it worth trying to 'find ways around' not getting the E2? |
Hi Veronica.
I'm not sure who you're talking to, but you don't seem to understand the F-2/E-2 situation. Getting an E-2 requires a job with a contract -- someone with an F-2 doesn't simply stop by immigration and buy an E-2!
Regardless, I have the E-2 permission to work. I'm not trying to 'find ways around' not getting the E-2 but looking for a legal way to be my own boss after my current contract is over. Such a situation doesn't seem to exist, however. But I don't think anyone here is just trying to save themselves a trip to immigration. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:11 am Post subject: |
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i would go for opening up your own study room. I think "think" the only thing you would have to do is prove that as a foreigner you have 50 million to invest in your business. COuld be wrong about this though.
on paper the study room doesn't sound bad. offer small classes, 4 students or less, and charge high fees.
I've been thinking about this myself for the past while. anyways there must be somegovernment department that your husband can ask. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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i would go for opening up your own study room. I think "think" the only thing you would have to do is prove that as a foreigner you have 50 million to invest in your business. COuld be wrong about this though.
on paper the study room doesn't sound bad. offer small classes, 4 students or less, and charge high fees.
I've been thinking about this myself for the past while. anyways there must be somegovernment department that your husband can ask. |
Yes, I'm getting my husband to look into this, although as we've just purchased our apartment, the 50 million may be a problem. We'll see though. Good luck and let me know how it goes! |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Dear colorful Buddha:
I don't mean to be rude to bring this up but in this you say we could "have [our[ wife make and register an English home school business, and [we] can obtain a work permit through her sponsorship."
You know study rooms must be owner = sole worker, so wife cannot seemingly sponsor anyone else for that. And we cannot be an owner cause we are outcasts by nationality..
However, if you are referring to a different type of business such as a hakwon you know it won't take just a few million but closer to 150-180 million. Hakwons must be at least 50 pyong in Seoul, supposed to be not nearer than 200 meters from alcohol kind of places. What's the chonsei or key money going to be on that. You need 50 million insurance deposit that goes to a ministry. You may have to put in newer facilities, and then must start paying for books, staff, advertising, bus drivers. You can cut initial costs by paying wolsei monthly rent, drivers as they are needed, and getting a run-down premises, but really... what if there is another econ-crises like imf? What if your location is wrong? What if your bus driver has an accident with kids on board? What if the local Ed department takes an interest in you and requests certain things...
Not joking.
This is why a study room appeals to me.
Few of the above expenses and incendiaries. Less money probably for me but coming with greater freedom than working for others. But it is not possible legally for whiteys as much as I know so far. |
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