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The Chinese characters for Seoul equals "Chinatown"
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: The Chinese characters for Seoul equals "Chinatown" Reply with quote

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Chinatowns-in-Asia

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The Chinese characters for Seoul actually mean "Chinatown" and so are usually not written by Koreans.


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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:32 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

exactly - KoreaN PEOPLE think they are a homogenuos race - Chinatown - means assortment of china products - exactly what Korean is....

seoul (korea) IS kOREAN PEOPLE who were mixed in with many other races (Japan, Mongolia, China, India, and other south-east asia people throughout the many previous centuries)... hence the different skin colors yellow, pale white, brown Korean people.....

Ask any Korean person why different Korean people have different skin colors and they will tell you "Actually, I have never noticed that, we don't think about that kind of thing.....)

because the textbooks tell them all korean people are the same with black hair, black eyes and yellow skin.......

(Science has proved as a fact that features such as hair-between -the-eyebrows, hair in front of the knuckles (hand) on the 2nd, 3rd fingers, body hair, skin color etc etc - is only different on people from different ethnic backgrounds)...... therefore - Korean people are really an assortment of chinese-mixed backgrounds.....


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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i made a comment about a tall, hardy looking lad to my korean friend, commented on his possible manchurian background and i've never seen anyone more insulted.
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mithridates



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Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:59 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
exactly - KoreaN PEOPLE think they are a homogenuos race - Chinatown - means assortment of china products - exactly what Korean is....

seoul (korea) IS kOREAN PEOPLE who were mixed in with many other races (Japan, Mongolia, China, India, and other south-east asia people throughout the many previous centuries)... hence the different skin colors yellow, pale white, brown Korean people.....

Ask any Korean person why different Korean people have different skin colors and they will tell you "Actually, I have never noticed that, we don't think about that kind of thing.....)

because the textbooks tell them all korean people are the same with black hair, black eyes and yellow skin.......

(Science has proved as a fact that features such as hair-between -the-eyebrows, hair in front of the knuckles (hand) on the 2nd, 3rd fingers, body hair, skin color etc etc - is only different on people from different ethnic backgrounds)...... therefore - Korean people are really an assortment of chinese-mixed backgrounds.....


No they're not. Their chromosomes are more similar to Japanese than Chinese.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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more similar to Japanese than Chinese.
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Shhhhhhh, mith. You shouldn't say that kind of thing too loudly here.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha. Read it in a Korean paper, published by a Korean research institute. Wink
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberscheisse wrote:
i made a comment about a tall, hardy looking lad to my korean friend, commented on his possible manchurian background and i've never seen anyone more insulted.


I had a discussion about a National Geographic article in a free talking class with one adult. He was a very smart guy who criticized the popular line on the Dok Do and North Korea issues, but in this case he felt very strongly that Koreans spontaneously came into being, without any taint of the Chinese race. We were specifically looking at a map of theorized human migrations around the ancient world and talking about how the ancient people must have migrated through China to Korea, and he denied it. I wish I could remember his words. I can't recall them now, but they were conclusive and end-of-conversation remarks. Something simple like "No."
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese Character for Seoul USED TO BE this: ����. This strictly means *Han City*. Han being the Han Dynasty or what the majority of Chinese people are these days.

I say used to be because they very recently changed it to this:

���.

This sounds like Seoul in both Mandarin and Cantonese and literally means capital.
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KiteOperations



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistranslated by the lack of knowledges.

�� refers to the big waters that means the han river, not the Hans being the major ethnic group of Chinese these days. so, this old Seoul's name ���� means the city by the han river, not China town.
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KiteOperations wrote:
mistranslated by the lack of knowledges.

�� refers to the big waters that means the han river, not the Hans being the major ethnic group of Chinese these days. so, this old Seoul's name ���� means the city by the han river, not China town.


I think you will find that the majority of Chinese people will disagree with you.

My husband just confirmed this with me - that they were respecting the Chinese Kingdom and that in the 1300, the Lee Dynasty of Korea changed the capital name to Han Seong to show their respect.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the literal meaning of Seoul in Korean. Is it derived from Seo meaning west?
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Seoul is a pure Korean word meaning capital.
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visviva



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name Hanseong is much older than 1300, and is used in the *Samguk sagi* to refer to the capital of Baekje (in or near modern-day Seoul) in the early Common Era. It obviously derives from the river (which uses the same hanja) but the real question is why is the river called Han?

The going nationalist explanation is that the name is a transliteration of the Old Korean word for "big"... but it certainly is a strange coincidence that out of all the Chinese characters sharing that pronunciation, the one for the Han Dynasty was chosen... especially since Daebang, the longest-surviving of the Han Dynasty commanderies, was (probably) located in the Han River valley.
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Kenny Kimchee



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KiteOperations wrote:
mistranslated by the lack of knowledges.

�� refers to the big waters that means the han river, not the Hans being the major ethnic group of Chinese these days. so, this old Seoul's name ���� means the city by the han river, not China town.


Interesting - that second kanji means "castle" in Japanese, not city.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenny Kimchee wrote:
KiteOperations wrote:
so, this old Seoul's name ���� means the city by the han river, not China town.


Interesting - that second kanji means "castle" in Japanese, not city.


It means both in Chinese. It can also mean "wall" as in Great Wall of China.
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