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Why do I have to be treated like this in my own country?
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:45 pm    Post subject: Why do I have to be treated like this in my own country? Reply with quote

I have recently been trying to get back into the Korean language. But what with my time limitations, and the fact that my problem these days is conversation, not writing (I can write an essay in Korean just fine), I wanted to find a language exchange in Sydney, Australia, where I live.

I found the most popular site for Korean immigrants and Korean foreign students in Sydney. It is called www.hojunara.com. I put up a polite request looking for people to do a language exchange.

Here it is.

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Then the horrible, prejudiced replies came flooding in.

Like this -

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And this -

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To which I replied

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The racism continued even more, with one calling me a 'sexual deviant', without reason whatsoever -

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Then this -

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In all, there has only been one voice of reason. Probably a girl. Here it is.

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Are Korean men so insecure that asking for a language exchange can cause a flood of pure hatred? This is really terrible. They sure know how to frighten people that are open to Korea away!
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shakuhachi, can you translate the posts? That sucks and as an Australian I feel really angry that Korean men there act in such a way. I'd love for Ray Martin or some other hack journo to give them the kind of treatment the Korean media has given us of late.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It basically says:
"Hi, my Korean is at the mid level and I'm looking for a language exchange. I want to work on a and b and c and d."

To which the reply was:

"You pervert, do you like Korean girls that much? Is that why you study Korean? Blah blah blah"


That's the gist of it.

Shak, Cyworld's better because they know everybody's name and you can report people if they're mean. I've done it before. There are clubs on Cyworld for Koreans in Australia. I'm sitting beside a girl right now who just got back from Sydney three weeks ago. She says hi.
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is really shocking. Would Chinese or Japanese studying in Australia respond the same way?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What ridiculous insecurity and hypocrisy.
Korean men learn english to get a crack at western women, and to get visas to live in the west.

Obviously it doesn't go both ways. Foreign men in korea are demonised by a media conspiracy and barred from any credible participation in Society. This is the fundamental problem: korea's one-sided relationship to the rest of the world.

if korean men really want to hold on to "their" women, they will ultimately have to change their behavior.
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cheem



Joined: 18 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has "Korea Story" been syndicated?

Seriously, Korean men can be the biggest cretins. I have to admit though, I enjoyed this bit: ���¼��� ������Ű���� ���� �� ����Ʈ���� �ÿ��ϰ� Ǯ��... Korean can be pretty expressive sometimes; makes you think of English in new ways.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Why do I have to be treated like this in my own country? Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
Are Korean men so insecure that asking for a language exchange can cause a flood of pure hatred?


Errr, let me think while I put my levis on Wink


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This is really terrible. They sure know how to frighten people that are open to Korea away!


It's all reminiscent of "der sturmer" back in the 30's when Julius Streicher was batting for the "master race." You shouldn't have to tolerate that anywhere irrespective of where you are. Unfortunately, many Korean men are deeply insecure so they end up banging out disgusting letters like the ones you cut and pasted above. Reminds you of gyopos a bit doesn't it?
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell them to go back to Korea
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're in Aus, dude - you're on your home turf. Go out around Korea town at night til you come across a Korean wife-beater, beat the living shit out of him, then make a citizen's arrest. Set up a K-guy on a date with a beautiful friend and then get her to walk out half-way through because he's asking too many stupid questions. I'm sure there are some great ways to let off steam.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if a couple posts on an anonymous forum can possibly viewed as representing anything at all. It could just be someone posting things up for kicks just to amuse themself. For example, Koreanesl.com is (was?) a trainwreck of the same thing in reverse with people insulting Koreas who wanted to learn English (and everyone else). I certainly wouldn't say it represented English speakers in general.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a first born son, raised within a privileged family. You're sent to Australia to learn English. Suddenly you find you're at the bottom of the heap. A Beta male all the way. The fine Korean ladies in Australia have dating options. It has to be very emasculating.

A friend of mine, divorced after her husband beat her in public, is a single mother. She knows she probably has to move out of Korea to raise her son in a better environment. He's going to be treated like a dog in Korean schools for not having a father. She was talking to a male relation in the states about how to immigrate to the USA. He started talking about how to work illegally etc. And then he closed off with "marrying an American man is NOT possible." Like they would prevent her somehow from marrying whitey...

Oh. A good one from a friend's blog. She's in London after a couple years teaching in Korea. She finds a Korean grocery store. She loads up on a few Korean snacks she enjoyed. The bill came to about $6. She doesn't have the cash so she readies her plastic. The Korean guy in front of her buys some stuff, the bill coming to about $7. He pays with plastic. But when she tried to pay with her credit card, she was told "$10 minimum". "But the [Korean] guy in front of me paid with a credit card for a sub $10 bill!"

She quipped "It was like being back in Korea..."
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also went to a shop and asked them to put up a sign. The young guy behind the counter looked at it and agreed. The next day I went back (Sunday), and it was gone. He asked me if I was 'trying to find Korean girls', and 'how much did you get'? I just told him I dont know what he is talking about and left.
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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, why bother learning Korean. Learn something useful like finance, or marketing, or management. Very Happy
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a newspaper article about my life in Korea as well as the store. Thus, somr of the article focused on my family life here in Korea--cross cultural marriage, fatherhood etc. There was a message board (it was published online as well) where people could talk about the article. All these fucks were writing was how much of wh0re my wife is, all kinds of crazy stuff her, my kid ,and how they were going to beat the snot out of me. She would never tell me all that much about it as she knew I would go ape shit.

Think any of them ever showed up at my store to talk about it?

I am sick today so my writing might be a bit fucked.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
billybrobby wrote:
man, i feel like a real classy guy. now somebody else better share. (cough)shakuhachi(cough)


I have a handful of stories to tell, but I dont usually bother with that kind of pretense (usually). Considering my last foray into writing about my relationships with Korean girls, my stories might be considered too risque for this forum.

I will say that 'Language Exchange' is often just a code word to meet someone of the opposite sex, though. For Korean girls who are supposed to be 'conservative', a reasonable excuse to meet a foreigner is needed, and helps her save face.

I would be willing to relate a story but really, this thread would probably be deleted not long after it is posted.


maybe you remember that from the "what's your best language exchange story" thread.

so the question becomes are these dudes racist or psychic? because they sure called on you that.

and the question you have to ask yourself is: if a korean man accepted your invitation, would you do it?
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