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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: The Secret Mulroney Tapes Reply with quote

Mulroney "devastated" and "betrayed" by Newman's tell-all book
ALEXANDER PANETTA
Mon Sep 12, 7:01 PM ET

OTTAWA (CP) - An ailing Brian Mulroney feels "devastated" and "betrayed" about a onetime friend's release of a tell-all book that has the former prime minister spewing profanity and musing extensively about his own greatness.

A spokesman said Monday that Mulroney was stunned to turn on his television and learn that his private and often R-rated reflections would be on store shelves this week in a book written by Peter C. Newman. "'I was reckless in talking with Peter C. Newman,' " Mulroney said, according to spokesman Luc Lavoie.

"'This was my mistake and I'm going to have to live with it.' "

Mulroney was at home in Montreal, where he is undergoing physiotherapy and still recovering from surgery following a serious bout with pancreatitis months ago.

He is not challenging the accuracy of Newman's book, The Secret Mulroney Tapes, and has no plans for legal action.

But Lavoie said the former prime minister is feeling betrayed by the way his old friend, Newman, gathered the material.

That material includes a series of remarks from the 1980s and '90s that would have produced incendiary and potentially career-ending headlines at the time.

They include references to the anatomy and the love life of his successor, Kim Campbell, startling admissions about the Meech Lake accord, vicious outbursts at the media and anyone else he felt had deprived him of his legacy as the country's greatest prime minister since John A. Macdonald Laughing

He unloads with particular force on former Liberal prime minister Pierre Trudeau, former colleagues Lucien Bouchard and Joe Clark, on Clark's wife Maureen McTeer, and on ex-Newfoundland premier Clyde Wells.

But it was just supposed to be two old friends chatting, says Lavoie.

"Brian Mulroney is a very colourful, entertaining man in a conversation that says things that are said because they're entertaining," Lavoie said.

"For a man like this to tape him without his knowledge and use it this way is nothing short of betrayal."

He was cautious when asked whether Mulroney's fragile physical state worsened when he learned of the book.

"He's too proud a man but I know it did (hurt him physically)," Lavoie said.

"He's quite devastated."

Mulroney met the veteran journalist over 40 years ago and the men became close - so close that Newman wrote a key speech for him for the 1976 Tory leadership convention, says Lavoie.

He said the men signed a deal when Mulroney finally became Tory leader in 1983: Newman would have unlimited access to him, would produce a biography following his days in office, and would let Mulroney have an early peek at the book before it was published.

In the end there was no biography, only a collection of interview transcripts. And Mulroney's first glimpse at the book came Monday when some of its saltiest snippets flashed across television screens.

Mulroney was completely unaware he was being taped most of the time, maintains Lavoie. According to their agreement, Newman would have a monthly recorded interview with the prime minister.

But the phone calls were supposed to be off-the-record, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050913/ca_pr_on_na/mulroney_responds
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha looks good on him. Sir John A. never destroyed a political party. Mulroney reduced the PCs to fringe party status. A conservative government that ran up the debt beyond levels even Trudeau could have imagined. What historical legacy does he think he has?
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fifteen years ago I said to myself it'll be a 100 years before the mess he's created is cleaned up. 15 years later, it still hasn't been all cleaned up. Almost singlehandedly created the Bloc Quebecois, and it's virtually impossible to amend the Constitution. Biggest f *beep* up in Canadian history is his legacy. I'd love to hear what he had to say about Kim Campbell though Laughing


Newman is one self-overrated writer as well. Competent, but nothing special. His only redeeming feature is that he's been around for so long.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
Newman is one self-overrated writer as well. Competent, but nothing special. His only redeeming feature is that he's been around for so long.

What is the inevitable outcome when an arrogant s.o.b. politician talks candidly to an arrogant s.o.b. journalist/writer?

WTF Brian, you couldn't see this coming?
Your legacy will be: 'that stupid PM with the big chin AND big mouth'.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
Newman is one self-overrated writer as well. Competent, but nothing special. His only redeeming feature is that he's been around for so long.


That about sums up Newman. His whole Canadian Establishment series is fun to hunt for via used bookstores and read.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is the inevitable outcome when an arrogant s.o.b. politician talks candidly to an arrogant s.o.b. journalist/writer?


Hehe.. I remember my history professor reading an excerpt from one of Newman's books. He had no respect for the man's 'Harlequin histories' and his upper Canadian snootiness.

Puzzling that a slick politician like Mulroney wouldn't see this coming, but I suppose he's a human being and if someone has been your friend for forty years you would give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nevertheless, I don't see what's so inflammatory. He doesn't like Clark's micromanaging arrogance (probably true), Campbell's screwup of the 1993 election which she spent carousing with her Russian boyfriend (perhaps true), and he hated Trudeau for being a spoiled rich kid who spitefully torpedoed Meech after he failed to unite the country himself (probably true).

Mulroney wasn't the best PM but he wasn't the worst. He inherited the financial basket case left by Trudeau and didn't have the political stomach to make the necessary cutbacks that even Chretien was forced to make when the debt was much worse. He axed the NEP and passed free trade after (and this is important) the 1988 election in order to gauge public opinion. On the other hand, he instituted the GST, which Chretien ran on a campaign to abolish, you'll all remember.

Compare him to Trudeau, who forced metrication and bilingualism on the public with no consultation, rammed through a new constitution and charter with no input from the public, passed energy bills which decimated the prairie economies and threw my brothers out of work, and ran up the debt with his Keynesian-gone-wrong voodoo policies before passing the bag to Mulroney, all while giving the finger to protesters. I'll take Mulroney.

Ken:>
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
Compare him to Trudeau, who forced metrication and bilingualism on the public with no consultation, rammed through a new constitution and charter with no input from the public...

Sorry, wrong. I remember all the big public consultation exercises that went on during the late 70s and early 80s for metrification, the Constitution, the Charter of Rights, and bilingulism. There was plenty of public consultation. And those "energy bills" were some of the best things to ever hit the Atlantic provinces, where I'm from, which was heavily dependent on imported oil from Venezuela, and saw home heating oil prices skyrocket in the 70s and 80s. Some of the energy efficiency programs instituted under the NEP achieved market penetration rates of over 70%. Albertans will just never get over the fact that Trudeau saw the country as more than just a collection of provinces, and he worked for the whole country, not to just certain regional special interests.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In any case...when you stop and think about it, Newman is a bit of an *beep* hole for publishing this book. It doesn't provide a lot of new information from a historical perspective (who DIDN'T know Mulroney is a mouthy meglamaniac?), and most of the contents are a bunch of salacious, Lewinsky-esque asides. How historically important is it to know what Mulroney thought of Kim Campbell's *beep* s?

His excuse for publishing the book is that there is another Mulroney biography coming out soon "so he had to get this one out". Big deal. Does the world owe it to him to get his book published? Who the hell does he think he is?

As a writer he is merely competent, nothing more...most MAs in Political Science could do as well nowadays. His only claim to fame is that he's been around for too long, and he's willing to *beep* people over for his career.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Lian' Brian 's whining. Awwww, poor boy..

I bet he actually expects Canadians to feel sorry for him. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, wrong. I remember all the big public consultation exercises that went on during the late 70s and early 80s for metrification, the Constitution, the Charter of Rights, and bilingulism... And those "energy bills" were some of the best things to ever hit the Atlantic provinces, where I'm from, which was heavily dependent on imported oil from Venezuela, and saw home heating oil prices skyrocket in the 70s and 80s... Albertans will just never get over the fact that Trudeau saw the country as more than just a collection of provinces, and he worked for the whole country, not to just certain regional special interests.

I may be out of my league here, as I was a tyke in the 70s. Nevertheless, I recall no significant public input into the constitution / charter or bilingualism, and certainly no referenda or elections meant as a test of policy, as Mulroney's '88 election was for free trade.

What Albertans do remember is coming home from work at 5 before voting and hearing on TV that Trudeau had already won a majority government. They also remember that Trudeau made policies that drained (by estimates) $160 billion out of the province, on the basis of a government that held no seats west of Winnipeg.

I'm not a hard-core Albertan, and I did live in Newfoundland for several years, but I can identify with the feeling of being told to stop whining every time this 'we're all part of one country' line is brought up. The NEP was meant to benefit the rest of the country, and the same argument was used historically for crow rates and a variety of other measures. When Alberta has been in depression or recession, funny how little brotherhood was shown. Trudeau certainly did nothing after the western economy collapsed around '81.

Trudeau's legacy is thirty years of a weak dollar, declining armed forces and international legitimacy, debt, cutbacks forced through debt, American antagonism, and separation movements. Regional interests my curvy bum.

Nevertheless, admittedly, I don't think I'd want to befriend Mulroney either. I met him at a barbecue in '84 and he seemed as slippery then as he does now.

Ken:>
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
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Sorry, wrong. I remember all the big public consultation exercises that went on during the late 70s and early 80s for metrification, the Constitution, the Charter of Rights, and bilingulism... And those "energy bills" were some of the best things to ever hit the Atlantic provinces, where I'm from, which was heavily dependent on imported oil from Venezuela, and saw home heating oil prices skyrocket in the 70s and 80s... Albertans will just never get over the fact that Trudeau saw the country as more than just a collection of provinces, and he worked for the whole country, not to just certain regional special interests.

I may be out of my league here, as I was a tyke in the 70s. Nevertheless, I recall no significant public input into the constitution / charter or bilingualism, and certainly no referenda or elections meant as a test of policy, as Mulroney's '88 election was for free trade.


Well I do. I remember not only the news stories, but also reading the press releases about major public consultation exercises and public hearings that were held on metrification, bilingualism, the Charter of Rights, and the Constitution. I remember specifically a big consultation exercise that went on between the Feds and the Federation of Canadian Municipalities, so that local government could have imput.

I also remember a certain premier from a province west of Winnipeg who claimed, all evidence to the contrary, that "they were not consulted" when the feds decided to ratify the Kyoto Protocol. Albertans always claim they were not consulted whenever the federal government listens to their input, but doesn't necessarily follow it. That's no way to run a country. Consultation means "we'll take your input into account", not "we'll only do what you want us to do".

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What Albertans do remember is coming home from work at 5 before voting and hearing on TV that Trudeau had already won a majority government.

Well, that's because the planet spins to the left. I don't think there's much that can be done about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:

Well, that's because the planet spins to the left. I don't think there's much that can be done about it.

Uh, turn yourself 180 degrees? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll really be missing Air Farce this week!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
I'll really be missing Air Farce this week!

This Hour Has 22 Minutes

... although i must say the few episodes i saw following Mercer's departure seemed to lose a certain je ne sais quoi Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He deserves to be shot.
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