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[mithridates]

1)It seems lately that these two posters haven't been getting along and that there's something about the two of them that just makes it possible for them to have a civil discourse.

This thread challenges these pretensions.

First of all. I'm sure everyone is aware of the point they have in common with their names. They both have reached an area of skill in their chosen profession that gives them the suffix -er. What they do is beyond me - I assume one of them knows how to Goph, and that the other knows how to Effeltrain. I think the two of them know what it means but I'm not sure.
You'll notice that few of us other posters have a name like that - mine is the name of a wannabe hellenistic king who got his ass handed to him by Rome. On The Other Hand, sorry to say but everybody has another hand so you're down here with me as far as coolness of names go, and even Bobster, though he has an -er is a false cognate, e.g. he doesn't 'bobst' but rather is bob+ster.

2)Posting style: both are very good at cutting up each others points with the quote function and responding point by point, and keep up this interchange while the rest of us are left in the dust. This keeps them at the forefront and makes them the stars of the thread. The only other posters that good are, of course, bobster and joo. G and E will have posts like this:

[Gopher]

I said -- what? several weeks ago? -- that it was a stupid idea to blame Bush for the damage Katrina wrought.

EFL Trainer could not accept that, and he carries a grudge that just will not go away.

He has since made it a point to discredit anything and everything I write, and he usually doesn't have anything substantial at all to contribute to the discussion except to cite his LSAT score or lob neverending sarcasm and cynicism my way. It you care to see who comes after whom on any given thread, be my guest, but please accurately report what you find. I think if you're going to start this kind of a thread, you should be comprehensive and thorough.

Be my guest, then, scrutinize: but who is persecuting whom? who is taking apart the other's posts over trivialities and starting fights? I challenge you to answer that honestly, and cite your evidence (the threads). In other words: who, Mith, is seeking the confrontations?

So his aggressive, chip-on-the-shoulder behavior pisses me off. And his style of discourse is obnoxious. I'm not the first (and I won't be the last) to note that.

But, in any case, there's nothing more to it than that.

Why do some people come onto this board and violate all normal rules of civilized discourse? They are cowards, and they hide behind anonymity.

I say all of this, of couse, laughing at least as much as you are, Mith, because I'm leaving Korea soon, and you or someone else will still be stuck with EFL Trainer, and will have to cope with his style of "debate."

So I wish you well...but before I go, please review all the evidence before saying there is no difference between us, and tell me what pattern you see here. You've opened this thread. You should follow through on this...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=44168

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=44347

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=44066

[rapier]

[shakuhachi]

I have to agree. EFLtrainer is consistently rude, and always gets his ass handed to him in debate.

[kermo]

Regardless, I have to love him for posts like this one:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=44779&start=30

[Rteacher]

I guess I'm the only one that teaches...

[Kuros]

[EFLtrainer]

First off, I'm not attacking anyone.

Second, Mith, that was pretty good satire.

Third, Kermo, thanks. Glad you liked it.

Fourth, I wasn't aware the debates here were graded! Where can I check my score?

Fifth, anyone who would start out their first post in response to another psoter by calling said post insane, then (blah, blah, blah) end it all with calling said poster a drunk and making not-so-veiled threats, needs to reconsider things.

[EFLtrainer]

Now THIS is rude:

Manner of Speaking:

[EFLtrainer]

[Bulsajo]

[RachaelRoo]

EFLtrainer does seem to be actively attacking Gopher's posts - and Gopher personally - everytime he writes anything on a thread. Does he just disagree with Gopher in every way possible, or is there some personal vendetta at play here?

[Nowhere Man]

I was going to avoid comment on this thread, but I do feel I'm integrally a part of this.

I'll start by saying that my posts are in no way coordinated with EFLTrainer's or the Bobster's. In particular, while the Bobster and I tend to agree on many issues, we are largely incommunicado and there are threads where we disagree.

I say this for 2 reasons:

1) Gopher took it upon himself to accuse one or the other of us of being a sock. We're not.

2) EFLTrainer's statements are his own. Again, I would speculate that many of our opinions concur, but I'm making my own comments here, not in defense of EFL.

Whether Gopher leaves or stays is beside the point. Good luck either way, Gopher.

Either way, let there be no one suggesting they are more objective than others.

That's assinine.

Support your point. Fine. Make it the best supported possible. Excellent.

Realize the difference between fact and opinion.

Understand that when you're dealing in opinions, they are just that.

Propaganda?
Michael Moore?
Criticizing Bush?
Criticizing America?
Criticizing Columbus?
Criticizing people who criticize Bush?
Criticizing "the Left"?
Criticizing "the Right"?
Criticizing anyone as less-educated than you are.

And look at Gopher's own citations.

Invariably, he is either

A) Calling someone a bozo.
or
B) Explaining how someone else is wrong because, in his opinion, they have some other sinister purpose which he takes it upon himself to define.

Heaps of references, indeed.

Proving something? No.

Case in point: Bush appointed a know-nothing crony to head FEMA.

Gopher response: It's a common thing. Look at Bobby Kennedy.


Before he even had his facts straight, Gopher was deeming Bush criticism "a cheap shot".

Thank you for that opinion.

That's all.

[EFLtrainer]

[EFLtrainer]