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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:27 am Post subject: Mural in Iraq depicts an airplane slamming into buildings |
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Claim: A mural in Iraq depicts an airplane slamming into buildings resembling the World Trade Center towers.
Status: True.
Origins: On 26 March 2003, a mural showing an airplane crashing into one of two tall vertical buildings and setting it aflame (while a second airplane approaches the other building) was discovered by U.S. Marines searching Iraqi military headquarters in Nasiriya. The plane in this cheerily-hued painting bears the logo and color scheme of Iraqi Airlines.
The now famous photo, which shows two Marines in front of the mural, was taken by Joe Raedle, a photo journalist accompanying the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force from Task Force Tarawa.
No comment has so far been offered as to whether the mural pre-dates the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City or whether it was painted afterwards in celebration of same.
Last updated: 30 March 2003
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/mural.php |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Was it post or pre 9/11? What does it tell you? Does it tell the same story to others?? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't see the big deal. Is your point that the Invasion of Iraq was justified -not because of the supposed WMD, but because an iraqi painted an insensitive mural?
What would be interesting, is if it was proved to pre-date 9/11. thats about the only significance to this. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:12 am Post subject: |
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The article claims it's not clear whether it's pre- or post-9/11. I strongly suspect that it's post-9/11, as it would be not a little outrageous to link the Iraqi govt to 9/11. But it's still not obviously clear whether it celebrates or just memorializes the event.
I would be inclined to guess that it probably celebrates the event. But this is not surprising. Some people do indeed celebrate this event. Particularly in the Middle East. I saw it firsthand in Chile, too. I saw dancing. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Sheesh, Joo. With all that's happening in Iraq these days, you think a two year old story about a mural is worth the bandwidth?
I strongly doubt it indicates that anyone in Iraq had advance knowledge of 9-11. Al Qaeda operatives do not strike me as the kind of guys who discuss their planned crimes with graffiti artists. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| It shows the mindset of Bathists. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| So what! Bathists don't like America? That was proven in 1991, they sure wouldn't like them any better now they are in their country. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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No Bathists play a role and played a role in the middle east atmosphere of incitement of violence against the US.
If all the worlds Bathistsm Khomenists, Nasser followers , and Bin Laden lovers were suddenly deprived of O2 then there would be virtually no anti US terror in the world. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I was just reading 'Prisoner of Wonderland'. There's an account of how a kid came in dressed like Bin Laden for Halloween, and the K-teachers and director thought it was great and made much ado about it.
Perhaps while they're at it and destroying things for being disagreeable, the US military could also blow up Wonderland? It would make for a much better use of munitions. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ah but that kid wasn't inciting violence or sponsering terror. Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers do it as much as the go get air.
If there weren't any Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers then there would be virtually no anti US terror. The US is justified in using nearly any means neccessary to force them to give up their war. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| Al Qaeda operatives do not strike me as the kind of guys who discuss their planned crimes with graffiti artists. |
Disinformation artists is a lot more like it 
You wanna talk REAL foreknowledge ? Take a look at this:
The Lone Gunmen Episode 1: Pilot
In which the intrepid conspiracy theorists, led by Byers not-so-dead father, stop the events of 9-11 six months before they happen ...
Entire episode available for download
New:
X-Files/Lone Gunmen Star Dean Haglund On The Alex Jones Show - Interview excerpt
Final Approach- The plane is closing rapidly on the WTC North Tower. The pilots struggle vainly to override the remote control signal, while Langly struggles to decrypt it. Frohike has gone to plead with Yves, who has the "Octium" chip stolen at the opening of the episode.
Pilot Episode "predicts" 9/11
In a foreshadowing of the September 11, 2001 attacks, subsequent conspiracy theories, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the plot of the March 4, 2001 pilot episode of the series depicts a secret U.S. government agency plotting to crash a Boeing 727 into the World Trade Center via remote control for the purpose of blaming the attack on foreign "tin-pot dictators" who are "begging to be smart-bombed." This episode aired in Australia less than two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, on August 30.
Unlike the X-Files, whose storylines dealt mainly with supernatural creatures and government alien conspiracies, the Lone Gunmen episodes generally featured more "plausible" plots, such as cheating husbands, arms-dealers, and escaped Nazis. The show had a very light atmosphere and heavily focused on physical comedy.
The cancellation of the show is considered by many to be somewhat mysterious, as its ratings were in fact higher than the first-season ratings of X-Files.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen
Is this just a case of life imitating art, or did Carter and his associates know something about the upcoming attacks? Was this an attempt to use the highly visible platform of the first episode of a new series (and a spin-off from the very popular X-Files) to make enough people aware of the scenario that it would be too risky to implement? If that was the case they did not count on the public's short attention span, the devout cooperation of the mass media in concealing inconvenient facts, and the sheer chutzpa of the perpetrators.
Or was it just one of those ideas that was "in the air" at the time, an expression of the zeitgeist? Great and traumatic events always seem to be preceded by certain foreshadowings, like the upstream standing waves that form behind a rock in the streambed. Perhaps this is just another in the endless string of odd synchronicities surrounding the events of 9-11, peculiar juxtapositions of events that must eventually strain the credulity of even the most seasoned Coincidence Theorist.
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Lone%20Gunmen/The_Lone_Gunmen_Episode_1.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=lone+gunman+911 |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| If there weren't any Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers then there would be virtually no anti US terror. |
Leaving the Baathists and Iranians aside, Jihadi groups, including Al Qaeda have substantial public support (especially in places like Saudi and Pakistan) and are active, to a greater or lesser extent in most muslim countries. Taking out Bin Laden, Zawahiri and Al-Zaqawi will not make the slightest bit of difference. The ideology they espouse (violent Jihad) is attracting new adherents all the time and new groups will emerge to take the place of Al Qaeda.
How are you going to stop this ideology's growth and how are you going to stop the millions of dollars funding such movements? Why the hell are you supplying the Pakistani army with fighter jets, when such hardware could one day be at the call of an Islamic (and anti-Western) state? Why do you continue to pump billions of dollars into Saudi and the other gulf states through your short termist thirst for oil?
If the USA is to weaken the strength of such Jihadi movements it must develop long term policies that weaken such movements, by making allies with those that are threatened by Islamic movements, such as India, Russia and China, and by stopping the flow of money, in the form of aid and petrodollars to muslim states. At the moment, few such policies are being followed. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
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The Pakistani government and to a lesser extent the Saudi government are pro US. However the a large % of the populace in both nations supports Al Qaida.
The US does need to free itself from mideast oil. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Disinformation artists is a lot more like it
You wanna talk REAL foreknowledge ? Take a look at this:
The Lone Gunmen Episode 1: Pilot
In which the intrepid conspiracy theorists, led by Byers not-so-dead father, stop the events of 9-11 six months before they happen ... |
Interesting there was no attack on the Pentagon in that episode.
Anyway maybe Bin Laden watched the episode and got an idea.
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bigverne
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| The Pakistani government and to a lesser extent the Saudi government are pro US. |
In the long run, they are unlikely to hold on to power and will probably be swept away by an Islamic uprising, putting clerics in charge. Considering this as a distinct probability, why do you continue with the folly of aiding such nations, both economically and militarily? |
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