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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: Ottawa to Boost Immigration By 40%: REPORT |
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Ottawa to Boost Immigration By 40%: REPORT
ALEXANDER PANETTA
Fri Sep 23, 4:05 PM ET
OTTAWA (CP) - Canada's current immigration levels would rise 40 per cent within five years under a plan that will soon be presented to the federal cabinet, The Canadian Press has learned.
Prime Minister Paul Martin described immigration in a speech this week as key to Canada's economic success in an era defined by low birth rates, an aging population and an ever-deepening shortage of skilled workers. His immigration minister will address that challenge by announcing the target by Nov. 1 after consulting cabinet colleagues.
Joe Volpe will table a document in Parliament setting out the goal and will also deliver a wide-ranging plan for meeting it in a presentation to his cabinet colleagues next month.
Volpe declined to provide specifics but said something needs to be done to ramp up the country's immigration levels.
"We've got to have more," the minister said in an interview Friday. "There isn't a place in the country that hasn't used that four-letter word: 'More'."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050923/ca_pr_on_na/new_immigration_target
While, according to Volpe, there may indeed not be a place in the country that hasn't used the word "MORE" (even though this sounds more like an overstatement used for rhetorical effect than anything), i wonder how many regions are all that keen on ramping the official numbers up by a whopping 40% !!!
Also, will Ottawa enforce a policy of kicking the hundreds of thousands of illegals already in Canada out of the country before they're allowed to re-apply for entry?
Of course, as has been the case all throughthe past, most of it really depends on whether they're committed to having their names quietly added to the Liberals' voting lists ... or not  |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah. Great.. They screw over people that live in Canada, now they are going to import people so they can screw them too? Maybe the government should fix the system so people can start having kids again. Any way do we need any more unskilled labour in Canada? Its hard enough to get a job just with a BA just image what will happen when the market gets flooded with more labour.
I hate the Liberals, I wish western Canada would finnaly ditch the idiotic liberal hippies in the east. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Wrench wrote: |
I hate the Liberals, I wish western Canada would finnaly ditch the idiotic liberal hippies in the east. |
What do mean when you say BIG "L" - Liberals?
AND
What do you mean when you say small l - "liberals"? |
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plattwaz
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Location: <Write something dumb here>
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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But yet the reality is, I will still have to go through a 500-page application form, pay almost $1000 dollars, show that I have a ridiculous amount of money in the bank, wait 8 months, have my parents sign off their lives to vouch that I can vouch for him, and STILL have no guarantee that my freaking HUSBAND will get a Cdn work permit so that we can settle in my home country.
Whereas for his home country, we sign a form and show them a marriage certificate (or even easier, swear an oath that we have a "marriage-like relationship") and upon port of entry, they stamp my passport with full working rights.
Way to go Canada. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
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holey moley, maybe they'll even let me in.
I'm not filling in 500 pages for anyone though.
How much do you need in the bank to get into that place? |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Wrench wrote: |
Yeah. Great.. They screw over people that live in Canada, now they are going to import people so they can screw them too? Maybe the government should fix the system so people can start having kids again. Any way do we need any more unskilled labour in Canada? Its hard enough to get a job just with a BA just image what will happen when the market gets flooded with more labour.
I hate the Liberals, I wish western Canada would finnaly ditch the idiotic liberal hippies in the east. |
The vast majority of immigrants I've known in my life came to Canada and immediately bought houses or condos, thus providing a big boost to the economy. Plus, because you usually have to have a significant bank balance to get in, many new Canadians actually create jobs both by starting businesses and also by pumping new money into the economy.
Canada needs immigrants desperately. Our birth rate won't even maintain our current population, which is too small as it is. Our pension system is based on the premise that the current working generation pays for the retired one. We need to import more working, educated taxpayers right now. Especially ones with specific skills - sadly, us B.A.s don't fall into this category. IMHO, the government is doing what needs to be done with this new policy. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Canada, like European countries does nothing to boost local births. They prefer the immigration hobby. They don't spend 2% of the effort in making locals reproduce as they do on the immigration hobby. The discussion moves very quickly from the fact there aren't enough children to the creation of new laws, construction of new government buildings to house new immigration agency employees and then the creation of tolerance and assimilation campaigns that require consultants and more and more contracts and spending. The bitrth issue is a serious problem that can longer be denied. It needs attention. Perhaps they could end the retirement scheme since its seems unsustainable but no, they are more obsessed with creating utopias and toying with humanity engineering. All of this on the back of the First People's. The White many truly haveth a forked tounge.
That being said, The US has many hurricaine refugees available that could readily contribute to your retirement scheme and we have deeply discounted Mexicans available for immiediate shipping. |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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dulouz wrote: |
Canada, like European countries does nothing to boost local births. They prefer the immigration hobby. They don't spend 2% of the effort in making locals reproduce as they do on the immigration hobby. The discussion moves very quickly from the fact there aren't enough children to the creation of new laws, construction of new government buildings to house new immigration agency employees and then the creation of tolerance and assimilation campaigns that require consultants and more and more contracts and spending. The bitrth issue is a serious problem that can longer be denied. It needs attention. Perhaps they could end the retirement scheme since its seems unsustainable but no, they are more obsessed with creating utopias and toying with humanity engineering. All of this on the back of the First People's. The White many truly haveth a forked tounge.
That being said, The US has many hurricaine refugees available that could readily contribute to your retirement scheme and we have deeply discounted Mexicans available for immiediate shipping. |
So where are you going to get all the white girls willing to give up their career, lay on their backs and pump out kids? |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Its a weird policy.
You'd think they'd invest in their own Canadian citizens (to give and re-direct them skill-wise into whatever vision it is they have).
Just looking abroad for others to come in and do all the cool work seems funny. In addition, the U.S. attracts the best of the best because of significantly more $ involved enticing them (and they'd get a passport eventually with residency from that job). But just offering the passport and citizenship without a specific job available with the intention that those immigrants being there to get the better jobs as they become available over the Canadian-born citizen sounds a bit wacky to say the least. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Our pension system is based on the premise that the current working generation pays for the retired one. |
This is an outmoded form of pension system, a relic of a time when people did not live so long. Pension reform is long overdue, but instead of tackling this thorny issue, governments import immigrants, so that they do not have to take the necessary steps of dealing with a rapidly ageing society. As immigrants eventually become old themselves, this is a short term answer to a problem that is not going away. |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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As every year goes by, it just makes less and less sense for a Canadian woman to have kids. With student debt, insanely high regressive taxes on everything, and crap paying jobs (if you can even find one) in relation to the cost of living, it is no longer rational for most young women to choose this path. Oh yeah, and we're supposed to work 40 hours a week outside of the home and frequently do the majority of the work inside the home.
Immigration IS the answer.
Or change the way our society is structured - nah, that's too difficult. Just let more pre-educated workers in.
Bigverne, I think that the RRSP program in Canada is supposed to be an intitial step towards solving the fundamental problems with CPP. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure that a huge bank balance is a necessary qualification for citizenship. I know a former co worker of mine became a citizen a couple of months ago, and he was an ESLer for years who did lots of travelling around Asia. (something tells me he didn't have huge savings)
As for the ideas that Canada doesn't encourage a higher birth rate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Canada, and Quebec in particular still offer tax breaks and various incentives for families to have children? Kids clothing, childcare and things aren't taxed, and there used to be "baby bonus" cheques sent out monthly. Has that been phased out? |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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The baby bonus has been eliminated, and the tax incentives are a joke compared to the actual cost of raising a child. Canada has a serious average wage: cost of living and raising a family problem. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Alias wrote: |
So where are you going to get all the white girls willing to give up their career, lay on their backs and pump out kids? |
Exactly. The Japanese have been working like crazy to increase their population by encouraging women to have more kids. And that's worked... oh so well? Short of giving every woman who has 3.5 children a new house, I'm not sure of a cost effective way of getting current Canadians to ignore economic forces, return to being single income house holds, and have more children.
Sweden has probably the best environment for women in the work force, making it as easy as possible to be a career woman and a mother. And their birth/death rate is pretty much 1:1. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Whoa guys, Canada is a true nation of immigrants and it is working really well. Everyimmigrant I have ever met has been a hard working and mostly skilled person. Its bigots masked as conservatives who spread the notion of the lazy on the dole immigrant and thats just not true. The Canadian economy is white hot thanks to the price of oil and we don't have enough people to fill the positions whether doctors, engineers or grocery clerks. Im in favor of this policy because the planet doesn't need anymore people, we are already overpopulated as it is. The answer is not have more children, its to bring over skilled people who want an oppertunity for the "Canadian dream", there is nothing worng with that and its what makes Canada the greatest country on Earth. |
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