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Is Korea a "friendly" fascist society ??? |
Hmmm ... that's actually a pretty good way of putting it. |
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Korea is NOT fascist |
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Korea is not friendly |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:04 am Post subject: |
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most koreans are an angry bitter people!
not to mentioned TWO FACED!
they act nice to save face! but actually couldnt careless about you!
they are rude when they dont have to be!
and they try so hard to be cool! its like the kids in highschool who we called try hards!
they immitate everything and copy everything and then try to turn around and be cool about it buy saying its their invention!
fascist? sure.. not to mention a load of other stuff..
but then agian every country has it faults!
its just a sad racist, xenophobic nation and I only see this country backwards most times and not forward! actually I feel it was less racist 7 years ago when I came.. it seems the new generation of koreans who are 22-30 now who were in school 7 years ago when I was here.. are just is if not more racist and stupid than the others..
of course thats the MEN! love the girls!  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I agree that Korea was a kind of fascist state back during the military dictatorship era, but that ended back in the 80's.
This list is a good definition of fascism as I learned to define the term. It's worth keeping around for when some people start flinging the term around when it just doesn't fit.
How well does Korea fit the definition? By my evaluation, Korea gets 5 Trues, and one of them is only partly true these days.
Anyone else care to make an evaluation based on this list? Others are sure to have different feelings about some of these things.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - True. In part, it's necessary for them as a way of maintaining independence when they're surrounded by much larger countries. Still irritating though.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - False as far as native South Koreans are concerned. Much weaker when others are concerned, but there are civic groups working to improve conditions.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - True, although I'm not sure it's a government policy. I think it's just part of the culture.
4. Supremacy of the Military - False. The military here has been defanged. The military here is not glorified. In fact, guys in the military say it is hard to find girls to marry. (I'm talking about career military guys.)
5. Rampant Sexism - In transition from True to False
6. Controlled Mass Media - False. The print media is under attack from Noh because they criticize him all the time.
7. Obsession with National Security - False.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - False, as far as I know.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - True, especially under previous administrations.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - False. One example is the current airline strike. The administration is accused of being too labor-friendly.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - False
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - False. Can't even get the friggin traffic cops to enforce the laws. The custom of mass amnesties goes against this one.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - True. There are always government campaigns to control it, and progress has been made, but there are still miles to go on this one.
14. Fraudulent Elections - False |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
actually it applies much more to the enemies of the US than the US. |
Any guesses what Cheney might be smiling about? Just look over his right shoulder ... *snicker* ...
Here's a better angle. See the two golden FASCI?
New World Order = GLOBAL Fascist Police State
While undoubtedly fascist, for its part Korea tries its best to put on a brave "friendly" face. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Its lots of fun being ignorant and narrow minded. |
I've appeared in countless millions of newspapers wearing a Japanese kamikaze headband while discussing video game violence and claims impact on society (or more importantly, the lack thereof), yet I don't view myself as being narrow minded now were any complaints ever received that I know about.
I am curious what costumes you have worn during your days. Care to share so you can join the "narrow minded people" group? Roman Centurions? White farmer? Civil war soldier? Do tell. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:28 am Post subject: |
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While undoubtedly fascist |
I think Ya-ta pretty much pulled apart your ridiculous comparison piece-by-piece. You remind of the imbeciles at University who used to sell copies of Socialist Worker. Most of them grew up, and developed slightly more nuanced political views, whereas you still seem to be peddling such dogma, in all ignorance of the facts before you. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Note the Roman mace in the background, just to the right of the chair. Here's a better pic with description ...
The Mace, which is the symbol of the Office of the Sergeant at Arms, is placed by the Sergeant at Arms on a pedestal at the Speaker's right each time the House convenes. The Mace is also used in the British and Australian parliaments and is also a Nazi symbol of power.
The Great Seal
The American Dime
Lincoln
A Nazi Stamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar said whatever. Not like it was worth anything.
Anyway it would apply to the enemies of the US before it would apply to the US. it would also apply to Jeff Rense, Ernast Zundal and their supporters
Jeff Rense = Fascist bigot like his supporters.
North Korea
Hezzbollah
Iran
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Sadddam's Iraq
Hamas
Islamic Jihad
Jeff Rense
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
igotthisguitar said whatever. Not like it was worth anything.
North Korea
Hezzbollah
Iran
[img]
Sadddam's Iraq
Hamas
Islamic Jihad
WTF?
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: hallowen |
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i dressed up as a leprechaun once, maybe i am narrow minded against irish people... wait, i am half irish, gosh, sometimes i hate myself...
and really, how do you possibley even come close to saying the US possesses all 14 fascist charactersistics? some of those are ridiculous. The US is the country that gives money to morons who piss on pictures of Jesus and call it art, how is that putting down arts? wtf.
or the US has one unifying fear? I guess those plans crashing into our economic, military, and political centers really wasn't that big of a deal, was it?
Forged elections? I guess Bush somehow "created" what, 500,000 votes in Ohio without a single tracable one to be discounted to "steal" the election? or did he somehow force 2 of the 4 democratic placed supreme court judges to vote to stop the 2000 recount of ballots in Florida (which by the way, the ballot was created by a democrat and appoved by a democratic committee).
or did the republicans somehow stop black people from voting in florida? hmm, the ACLU looked into that, and what did they find? well, nothing that ever was significant to do anything.
and if micheal moore can make a movie that bashes the american system and bush administration so much, i doubt we can say that the US has a tightly controlled media.
supremeacy of the military??? how many aircraft carriers and army/marine divisions have been deactivated since the end of the cold war??? the US has deactivated more military forces than any other country has in their active military...
ram[ant sexism? in the country where college campuses bring in speakers to tell men that if you have sex and the girl says you raped her, you go to jail, no questions asked...
religion and governement are intertwined? you gotta be kidding me...if the US qualifies for that, so does every singe country on the planet.
obsession with crime and punishment? perhaps you havent read to many liberal articles about how it's not the mass murderers fault, he was beaten as a child, lets put him back on the streets...
labor power is suppressed? so tell me why do construction workers make more than people with degrees and need a superviser, the superviser's superviser, and his superviser? oh, well someone has to make $40/hour on saturday to sit and eat donuts.
the US a fascist state? umm, next time give some evidence please... like anything at all, you could start with something weak and common, like "Bush stole the election" or go to something harder to prove wrong or right, like "the new world order" and the Masons, or whatever they are called, but really, are you really scared of the country that defeats hostile aggressors like nazi germany, imperial japan, fascist italy, and Hussein's iraq, and then sends their soldiers to stand on walls in western europe and korea, to make sure world war 3 doesnt start???
people talk about the US being the biggest threat to world peace. since WWII, look around the world, everywhere, everytime american soldiers dug in for the long term, we saw lasting peace. just look at europe and korea. it is when american soldiers left with their work unfinished that chaos unfolded, like in africa and panama. (that is my pitch to not leave iraq too soon)
i await your reply |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: |
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When did they change the reverse of the dime? |
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Red

Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Korea: a "Friendly" Fascist Society ??? |
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Harpeau wrote: |
Have you ever considered that maybe you're taking your own inner turmoil and externalizing it? |
Summing up this thread before it really got started. I stand in admiration. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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VICTIM OF 'THOUGHT CRIME'
FOZ
FRIENDS OF ZUNDEL
Ernst Zundel - Update On An
Heroic Struggle
Who Is Prisoner Ernst Zundel? -
Judge For Yourself - Parts 1 - |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Igotthisguitar you sound like you have not gotten many awards. prizes or certificates in your life.
Well one day this will certainly all change. When you die you will get a death certificate.
You won't be missed. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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If igotthisguitar were an American he'd be voting for LaRouche in 2008. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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captain kirk wrote: |
Ya, man, it's all in your mind. |
Obviously, you weren't paying attention during the World Cup. A Korean sociologist refered to getting the Korean crowds in Seoul all worked up into a frenzy before and during the soccer matches as being "an experience in fascism". Based on recent events, I'd say the experience was a success. |
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