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madtinkerer
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Location: Gumi, South Korea
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 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: Good Electronic Dictionary |
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Can someone recommend a good Korean / English, or better yet Korean / English / Japanese Electronic dictionary or just a good brand to buy? In the past I've seen some really great and really terrible ones, but at the time I wasn't interested in buying so I didn't pay attention to the brands. I'd like something arounf the 200 - 250,000 won range.
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Ditto...any that speak the korean word (or spell the romanization) would be fantastic. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I am a big fan of the SHARP brand dictionaries. Look into those. The interface is just that much better. I have a non-talking model SD-S75.
I had a cheaper Korean model, and just hated it, so I took it back. I see a lot of students with the A-One dictionaries, as well as the SHARP models. I can't speak for the A-One brand, but I am very impressed with SHARP. A few extra won will go a LONG way to making you happy with these little things. |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| Ditto...any that speak the korean word (or spell the romanization) would be fantastic. |
I doubt they make any with romanization. For one thing, all dictionaries seem to be made for Koreans, who have no need for romanization of their own words. Second, any foreigner who needs an electronic dictionary has taken two hours of their time and learned the Korean alphabet. If you haven't done that, don't waste your money on any dictionary.
Seriously, it only takes two hours. Flippin' learn it.
| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
I am a big fan of the SHARP brand dictionaries. Look into those. The interface is just that much better. I have a non-talking model SD-S75.
I had a cheaper Korean model, and just hated it, so I took it back. I see a lot of students with the A-One dictionaries, as well as the SHARP models. I can't speak for the A-One brand, but I am very impressed with SHARP. A few extra won will go a LONG way to making you happy with these little things. |
I prefer Sharp over A-One. I purchased an A-One over other models because of the pen and touch screen, which is useful if you need to find out what a chinese character means. Unless you seriously study Korean, this isn't very useful. Even I rarely use it.
Aside from that, Sharp has a much better layout, and generally has more features than other brands for the price. Of course, you should check the specs for any model, and a 20,000 won difference will include useful or non-useful extras. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: |
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I doubt they make any with romanization. For one thing, all dictionaries seem to be made for Koreans, who have no need for romanization of their own words. Second, any foreigner who needs an electronic dictionary has taken two hours of their time and learned the Korean alphabet. If you haven't done that, don't waste your money on any dictionary.
Seriously, it only takes two hours. Flippin' learn it.
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I've tried--having a hard time with the �� as this freaking symbol is a different "letter" depending on which way its flipped around and just can't grasp it--same with ��. Maybe i'm a moron--then the different sounds for where the hangul symbol is placed in a "word." My IQ is a fair amount above 100, but, have heard, "oh it takes a few hours to learn," before, and I just don't buy that. I even speak a language (Hungarian) that is in the same language tree root (Uralic). I've no problem with the unique characters--the ��, ��, ��, etc., but a few hours to learn to READ? I don't buy it. Do you use any specific book to learn? |
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MeanyMichi
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: SNOW!!!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Sharp are the best. Some have a Korean/Japanese dictionary, but not English/Japanese. Depends on the model.
I learend to read Korean in about an hour. Seriously. Of course I sometimes still get confused (still have difficulties hearing the difference between��,�� as well as single/double consonants).
Haven't found a good book I like yet. All of the books I've seen use the �Դϴ� form in the elementary books. Later they use ��. I guess they want to make sure 'foreigners' are polite when speaking with Koreans. However, I have no desire to speak to my students using the honorific form, so I wish they'd have books using either just the �� form, or at least both. |
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CustomX
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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instead of complaing about the ���̴� form, why don't you learn the rules to conjugate the verbs into the �� form.
i will try to get a photo later of a chart i have, but it should take only about 30 minutes to memorize it if u can find it. there are a few tricks including �� and �� . |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| CustomX wrote: |
instead of complaing about the ���̴� form, why don't you learn the rules to conjugate the verbs into the �� form.
i will try to get a photo later of a chart i have, but it should take only about 30 minutes to memorize it if u can find it. there are a few tricks including �� and �� . |
That's what I need, please do put that up! Or anyone have a decent web link to a downloadable "one-side of a sheet of paper" alphabet trainer? |
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CustomX
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ill post it up later tonight |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Sharp SD-M15, about as minimal as is available: I'm not that impressed and I think one reason could be - as mentioned above - they are intended for Koreans travelling overseas and hence a translation from Korean to English gives (usually) only one word, the first meaning. In reverse, the screen is filled with meanings. This is OK when you are at a higher level of fluency than I.
My chum uses a PDA with Korean dictionary added on: this seems to be much more practical and comes complete with backlit colour screen, much easier to read too. |
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MeanyMichi
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: SNOW!!!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| CustomX wrote: |
instead of complaing about the ���̴� form, why don't you learn the rules to conjugate the verbs into the �� form.
i will try to get a photo later of a chart i have, but it should take only about 30 minutes to memorize it if u can find it. there are a few tricks including �� and �� . |
You know, if ANY of my Korean books (by now I own almost a dozen) had a chart like that at the front/back of the book, I probably would have memorized it by now.
If you could put up a picture of the chart, that would be great. Thanks. |
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CustomX
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| ok, i need a little help with the photo. when i took the photo during the day, the image was blury. i just took it with the flash, and its ok, but you'll need to zoom in to read it. do you know of a site I can host the photo at? or you can just pm me and ill email the full size photo to youl. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
I've tried--having a hard time with the �� as this freaking symbol is a different "letter" depending on which way its flipped around and just can't grasp it--same with ��. Maybe i'm a moron--then the different sounds for where the hangul symbol is placed in a "word." My IQ is a fair amount above 100, but, have heard, "oh it takes a few hours to learn," before, and I just don't buy that. I even speak a language (Hungarian) that is in the same language tree root (Uralic). I've no problem with the unique characters--the ��, ��, ��, etc., but a few hours to learn to READ? I don't buy it. Do you use any specific book to learn? |
Latin has the same problem - d/b and p/q...
�� and �� aren't that hard to learn, I found - but then my name starts with ��. �� and �� are slightly harder but I usually say 'o' at a higher pitch than 'oo' which helped me remember. The vowel combinations are a pain - I still can't 100% remember which is �� and which is �� - and they do take a little longer IME.
If you can get over the feeling that you're being patronised, http://www.addall.com/detail/1565910915.html isn't bad. |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Sharp RD-8800 is the way to go.
Find it and it's specs here |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| get one with an english english dictionary as well. i didn't and i regret it. |
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