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Bulsajo
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| If you say so. Honestly, I couldn't care less, but it seems to be an important distinction for you. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Unlike in America where only the rich and privileged can afford to go to the Ivy Leauge (GW Bush) and the occasional poor minority let in to meet the affirimative action quotas. |
That's not how it works.
Ivy League schools look for elites in the U.S. and all over the world. This includes people with some combination of these qualities: aristocratic background, demonstrated leadership abilities, demonstrated talent or high intelligence in one field or another.
Someone who is an elite in Chile, even though they would not be considered an elite in the U.S., is still "Harvard-material."
Some elites finance this education on their own. Others win scholarships, fellowships, and grants -- for example, the Fulbright brings many Chileans to Harvard, Princeton, Yale every year.
On the graduate level: two friends and colleagues from grad school -- not from wealthy families either -- recently rec'd "full ride" offers to complete their Ph.D. at Yale. That's where they are now.
So it is not a simplistic rich-poor distinction. And GW Bush is not a good example to show how this system typically works. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Just being argumentative about Bush. My point is that in Canada it is almost commonly accepted that one must go to University for at least one degree so Undergrad is the same everywhere in the quality sense because it is basically a four extension of High School (this is not to say that it is as easy as HS, its not, its like any other univeristy education in the world). The name of the school only really matters when you do grad or phd, then we have Ivy League programs depending on the school. For instance Film Studies (my major) is the same at every university that offers it but at the grad level u want to go to York or Concordia. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I would argue that there is no such thing as an "Ivy League" university in Canada. It was my experience that if you got reasonably good grades in high school, came from the same province, and applied early enough, you could/can get into just about any university in Canada. |
I think that's probably true. I've always thought the McLean's rankings were upper Canadian claptrap-- many prairie and maritime universities simply refuse to respond to the surveys because they feel the cards are stacked.
And as much as Canada p---es me off sometimes, it's a good thing that quality of education is decently uniform. I don't think this means that we discourage excellence if we still celebrate individual achievement, and if some unis want to specialize, so much the better. But to me, having overpriced snob palace universities which only let in the descendants of the Mayflower is a leftover of feudalism, and hardly encourages excellence.
The problems of Canadian university education are not uniformity or elitism, anyway. All of these issues are secondary to the problem of crumbling accessibility and chronic underfunding. Canada's brightest and best are going to tech schools, or to other countries with decent scholarship or graduate funding, not simply to one Ontario or Quebec uni over another.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
Actually now that I think of it...I don't think there are any PRIVATE universities in Canada at all. I mean 100% privately funded, with no government funding.
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There are a few. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity Western. Get a "degree" from them. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| Trinity Western. Get a "degree" from them. |
Their Bachelor of Science is first rate. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, I would argue that there is no such thing as an "Ivy League" university in Canada. It was my experience that if you got reasonably good grades in high school, came from the same province, and applied early enough, you could/can get into just about any university in Canada. |
I think that's probably true. I've always thought the McLean's rankings were upper Canadian claptrap-- many prairie and maritime universities simply refuse to respond to the surveys because they feel the cards are stacked. |
Agreed. And the McLean's ranking was/is just a pathetic attempt to create a system of elitism and hierarchy where none previously existed. I'm glad a lot of universites have never bothered to respond; who allocated to McLeans the right to determine for all of us which universities are "best"? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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one GREAT thing about UofA...
The ENTIRE Folkways collection resides there.
One of the most valuable collections of American music is sitting in the UofA libary.
nice. |
Not to mention that it's a great place to study sciences. In fact, Richard Tayloy (Nobel Prize winner) and Raymond U. Lemieux (Albert Einstein World Award in Science and World Prize in Chemistry winner) have studied there. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
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| Actually, I would argue that there is no such thing as an "Ivy League" university in Canada. It was my experience that if you got reasonably good grades in high school, came from the same province, and applied early enough, you could/can get into just about any university in Canada. |
I think that's probably true. I've always thought the McLean's rankings were upper Canadian claptrap-- many prairie and maritime universities simply refuse to respond to the surveys because they feel the cards are stacked. |
Agreed. And the McLean's ranking was/is just a pathetic attempt to create a system of elitism and hierarchy where none previously existed. I'm glad a lot of universites have never bothered to respond; who allocated to McLeans the right to determine for all of us which universities are "best"? |
That, and McLean's publishers are trying to increase its circulation. Every time a new list is published, its influence on young Canadians increases, which is a shame because most Canadian universities are excellent. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
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| Actually, I would argue that there is no such thing as an "Ivy League" university in Canada. It was my experience that if you got reasonably good grades in high school, came from the same province, and applied early enough, you could/can get into just about any university in Canada. |
I think that's probably true. I've always thought the McLean's rankings were upper Canadian claptrap-- many prairie and maritime universities simply refuse to respond to the surveys because they feel the cards are stacked. |
Agreed. And the McLean's ranking was/is just a pathetic attempt to create a system of elitism and hierarchy where none previously existed. I'm glad a lot of universites have never bothered to respond; who allocated to McLeans the right to determine for all of us which universities are "best"? |
And MacLean's is owner by my former employer Rogers Communications - which is owned an elitist Upper Canada College graduate who married into the Britsh aristocracy. That magazine is completely slanted towards a hierarchical way of thinking. |
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