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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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I believe back home in New Zealand we have a term for that
NARK |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:11 am Post subject: |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: |
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I prefer the term whistleblower thank you very much!  |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Sure, when its political its whistleblowing, now I get the definition  |
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gajackson1
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Boshintang - I VERY much agree with you on this; think it is all about the dinero, and cashing in some ploitical capital in these 'tough times.' (Remember those 'busts' from a few months ago??? Seems like most of those were more financial shakedowns than anything else . . . )
Fidel, both my friends and myself are high well and aware of the 'reward system' - but, it is NOT worth the risks to a non-korean/non-spouse-of-korean who wants to stay, live, and work here. If you want to become a whistlehunter/bounty hunter, by all means, please go ahead. I have more to lose than (apparently) you do, or you only know the press/legal side of the system, as opposed to the realities thereof.
As an analogy: You live in a neighborhood where there is a sauna. On Sunday mornings, you enjoy going there to relax. Which also happens to be the same time and place your local arm of the K-mafia get together to do payment exchanges, etc. You know this, because you have seen it numerous times. You can identify them by both their faces and body tattoos. So, being an upright citizen, you collect your information (perhaps aided by your cool camera/mic recording cell phone) and go to the police. Gangsters are run in, a handful arrested, 1-2 tried, 1 convicted & fined & serves a short sentence.
How long do you want to keep living in that neighborhood, Fidel? How long do you think you can? How long before that K-mafia arm calls up the line to call over to someone they have access to in the police to find out who started all this?
Have you been watching the recent rounds of corporate/government whistleblowers on tv??? THEY MARK OUT THE NAMES OF PEOPLE WITH A BLACK MARKER. Even on TV, you can see the handwriting/typing underneath. These are SUPPOSED to be top-level cases & documents . . .
Now, let's up the ante a little, shall we??? Let's say that instead of mafia, those guys are corrupt police . . .
If you really want to take up the sword, it would be pretty easy to do. Get out, scan the boards/sites, talk to teachers in bars or on chat sites and start collecting info. Start turning in suspected recruiters, schools, teachers, etc. But for me, the way things are now, it is not worth all I have worked for. I'll keep picking & choosing my fights, until I see evidence of REAL leaders and REAL bureaucrats actually trying to change things and protect those who want to speak up and out.
Respectfully Yours,
Glen
FYI ~ over on the other thread
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=45348
there is more info about what has happened to a guy who was actually duped by Kang - I hope he just gets an exit order. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Are you guys serious? 
You can get a cash reward for turning in an illegal?
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| There are no 'rewards' currently offered for this kind of information, and doubt there will be any anytime soon. In any case, a teacher who turned over such information (meaning a legit one who wants to stay) will, no doubt, find a bunch of nasty surprises falling their way in the form of revenge. do you ALWAYS want o be looking over your shoulder here in Korea - literally AND figuratively??? |
How so? If you turn in an illegal, and he/she's deported, how can that affect you? They're gone, out of the country. I know one teacher who busted an illegal out of revenge for some perceived wrong; nothing ever happened to him. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| gajackson1 wrote: |
As an analogy: You live in a neighborhood where there is a sauna. On Sunday mornings, you enjoy going there to relax. Which also happens to be the same time and place your local arm of the K-mafia get together to do payment exchanges, etc. You know this, because you have seen it numerous times. You can identify them by both their faces and body tattoos. So, being an upright citizen, you collect your information (perhaps aided by your cool camera/mic recording cell phone) and go to the police. Gangsters are run in, a handful arrested, 1-2 tried, 1 convicted & fined & serves a short sentence.
How long do you want to keep living in that neighborhood, Fidel? How long do you think you can? How long before that K-mafia arm calls up the line to call over to someone they have access to in the police to find out who started all this? |
Yeah but that's the thing, isn't it. The boys in Dalseo-Gu Pa are not your enemies, they're your natural business partners. You go to the sauna, make friends with them, tell them about how you/they can make money busting illegal "teachers". You work the bars and clubs to find the leads, they have the time and the cars to follow the illegals and snap a few pics. You bust the illegal, collect the reward money, split it with your business partners, and off to the kayo bang you go to celebrate.
If the illegal - who is probably a stupid, weak-kneed newbie to begin with -- tries to screw with you, your business partners arrange to have his legs broken before he's deported home. It's a great setup. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
Are you guys serious?
You can get a cash reward for turning in an illegal?
| Gajackson wrote: |
| There are no 'rewards' currently offered for this kind of information, and doubt there will be any anytime soon. In any case, a teacher who turned over such information (meaning a legit one who wants to stay) will, no doubt, find a bunch of nasty surprises falling their way in the form of revenge. do you ALWAYS want o be looking over your shoulder here in Korea - literally AND figuratively??? |
How so? If you turn in an illegal, and he/she's deported, how can that affect you? They're gone, out of the country. I know one teacher who busted an illegal out of revenge for some perceived wrong; nothing ever happened to him. |
Who turns illegal FTs in? And why?
Here are some of my guesses:
-- Spurned Korean girlfriends (Reading Dave's taught me that much)
-- The owner of ABC Hagwon looking to flatten his competition across town at XYZ Hagwon (or nationwide hagwon franchises blasting away their rivals)
-- An FT ratting out another FT out of revenge (as MOS mentions above)
-- Apartment guards who were at one time (still?) paid a reward for tipping off Immigration
-- Half-crocked Korean men who foist their pathetic "me big man" attentions on you in a bar, particularly if you happen to be drinking alone and you're tired of being suspicious so you let down your guard, thinking, 'Oh he's just had one too many. He's harmless'. And before you know it, he's your best friend or your worst enemy, claims to have connections with Immigration and/or the National Security Agency, can make you or break you in two, 'cos he's got them almighty connections, and you're an English teacher (whether you knew it or not  ) and getting on his bad side is all too easy and begins with not wanting to drink hard liquor with him, NOW!, why? because he orders you to, and... 
-- Taxi drivers, one of whom pulled basically the same routine as the drunk bully in the bar did. I swear, there is an element of the Korean male population that seems to equate "English Teacher" with "illegal" and "at my mercy". One wonders, would they take such liberties with a big, surly-looking Nigerian man? Or a big, surly-looking Russian man? Or just medium-sized, amiable-looking whities/English teachers? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Well that's just it, the field is a potential goldmine, it just needs to be properly researched and developed. Imagine if you got one million won per illegal turned in. Bag an illegal maybe, three times in one year, that's your vacation money to Thailand paid for. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Well that's just it, the field is a potential goldmine, it just needs to be properly researched and developed. Imagine if you got one million won per illegal turned in. |
Pays as well as recruiting teachers? And a lot less hassle, I betcha. But just you watch. They'll limit the rewards to Korean nationals. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Fidel, both my friends and myself are high well and aware of the 'reward system' - but, it is NOT worth the risks to a non-korean/non-spouse-of-korean who wants to stay, live, and work here. If you want to become a whistlehunter/bounty hunter, by all means, please go ahead. I have more to lose than (apparently) you do, or you only know the press/legal side of the system, as opposed to the realities thereof. |
Well lucky for me I am a spouse of a Korean so I assume it is worth the risks. I think you misunderstood me, I'm not taking about small fry, teachers, recruiters and schools but corruption in the government. I understand from your posts that you have have directly witnessed 'money changing hands'. If an immigration officer is taking cash from a small time hood such as Kang then I imagine s/he is taking money from other people as well. Perhaps if he was turned in and say 300,00000 is retrieved I'd be entittled to 30 million plus 7% of the rest.
Nice analogy, but by that token I take it you wouldn't report a murder, aggravated assault or any crime out of fear of 'mafia retribution' or revenge from other parties.
Hundreds of millions of won have been paid out and there hasn't been one verified case of 'retribution' against the whistleblowers (as far as I can discover).
People do have a tendency to overstate, exaggerate, and create fear on this board, just witness the threads about baaaaaaddddddd vibes.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| fidel wrote: |
People do have a tendency to overstate, exaggerate, and create fear on this board, just witness the threads about baaaaaaddddddd vibes.
FYI |
This from the guy who goes around calling people pedophiles... Sell it some place else, really. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| fidel wrote: |
People do have a tendency to overstate, exaggerate, and create fear on this board, just witness the threads about baaaaaaddddddd vibes.
FYI |
This from the guy who goes around calling people pedophiles... Sell it some place else, really. |
*beep* off weirdo! |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Now what are you two fighting about? I was the "baaaaaad vibes" monger that Fidel was referring to! (wasn't I?  ) Anyway, I was mongering on a different thread, a different topic. My comments above weren't fear-mongering, but just some late-night, sleepy-eyed ramblings about different species of narks. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
[Who turns illegal FTs in? And why?
Here are some of my guesses:
-- Spurned Korean girlfriends (Reading Dave's taught me that much)
-- The owner of ABC Hagwon looking to flatten his competition across town at XYZ Hagwon (or nationwide hagwon franchises blasting away their rivals)
-- An FT ratting out another FT out of revenge (as MOS mentions above)
-- Apartment guards who were at one time (still?) paid a reward for tipping off Immigration
-- Half-crocked Korean men who foist their pathetic "me big man" attentions on you in a bar, particularly if you happen to be drinking alone and you're tired of being suspicious so you let down your guard, thinking, 'Oh he's just had one too many. He's harmless'. And before you know it, he's your best friend or your worst enemy, claims to have connections with Immigration and/or the National Security Agency, can make you or break you in two, 'cos he's got them almighty connections, and you're an English teacher (whether you knew it or not ) and getting on his bad side is all too easy and begins with not wanting to drink hard liquor with him, NOW!, why? because he orders you to, and...
-- Taxi drivers, one of whom pulled basically the same routine as the drunk bully in the bar did. I swear, there is an element of the Korean male population that seems to equate "English Teacher" with "illegal" and "at my mercy". One wonders, would they take such liberties with a big, surly-looking Nigerian man? Or a big, surly-looking Russian man? Or just medium-sized, amiable-looking whities/English teachers? |
And you have nothing to worry about from any of the above groups if you are legal. Simple isn't it? |
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