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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: 25 Questions About New Orleans and Katrina Reply with quote

Click the link to see some preamble and a little about the authors ... I don't ascribe to any conspiracy theories about this, by the way, and a few of the questions seem to be leaning in that direction - regardless, I wonder if and when we will learn the actualities of what happened.

The Mysteries of New Orleans

Twenty-five Questions about the Murder of the Big Easy

By Mike Davis and Anthony Fontenot

1. Why did the floodwalls along the 17th Street Canal only break on the New Orleans side and not on the Metairie side? Was this the result of neglect and poor maintenance by New Orleans authorities?

2. Who owned the huge barge that was catapulted through the wall of the Industrial Canal, killing hundreds in the Lower Ninth Ward -- the most deadly hit-and-run accident in U.S. history?

3. All of New Orleans and St. Bernard Parish east of the Industrial Canal were drowned, except for the Almonaster-Michoud Industrial District along Chef Menteur Highway. Why was industrial land apparently protected by stronger levees than nearby residential neighborhoods?

4. Why did Mayor Ray Nagin, in defiance of his own official disaster plan, delay twelve to twenty-four hours in ordering a mandatory evacuation of the city?

5. Why did Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff not declare Katrina an "Incident of National Significance" until August 31 -- thus preventing the full deployment of urgently needed federal resources?

6. Why wasn't the nearby U.S.S. Bataan immediately sent to the aid of New Orleans? The huge amphibious-landing ship had a state-of-the-art, 600-bed hospital, water and power plants, helicopters, food supplies, and 1,200 sailors eager to join the rescue effort.

7. Similarly, why wasn't the Baltimore-based hospital ship USS Comfort ordered to sea until August 31, or the 82nd Airborne Division deployed in New Orleans until September 5?

8. Why does Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld balk at making public his "severe weather execution order" that established the ground rules for the military response to Katrina? Did the Pentagon, as a recent report by the Congressional Research Service suggests, fail to take initiatives within already authorized powers, then attempt to transfer the blame to state and local governments?

9. Why were the more than 350 buses of the New Orleans Regional Transportation Authority -- eventually flooded where they were parked -- not mobilized to evacuate infirm, poor, and car-less residents?

10. What significance attaches to the fact that the chair of the Transportation Authority, appointed by Mayor Nagin, is Jimmy Reiss, the wealthy leader of the New Orleans Business Council which has long advocated a thorough redevelopment of (and cleanup of crime in) the city?

11. Under what authority did Mayor Nagin meet confidentially in Dallas with the "forty thieves" -- white business leaders led by Reiss -- reportedly to discuss the triaging of poorer Black areas and a corporate-led master plan for rebuilding the city?

12. Everyone knows about a famous train called "the City of New Orleans." Why was there no evacuation by rail? Was Amtrak part of the disaster planning? If not, why not?

13. Why were patients at private hospitals like Tulane evacuated by helicopter while their counterparts at the Charity Hospital were left to suffer and die?

14. Was the failure to adequately stock food, water, portable toilets, cots, and medicine at the Louisiana Superdome a deliberate decision -- as many believe -- to force poorer residents to leave the city?

15. The French Quarter has one of the highest densities of restaurants in the nation. Once the acute shortages of food and water at the Superdome and the Convention Center were known, why didn't officials requisition supplies from hotels and restaurants located just a few blocks away? (As it happened, vast quantities of food were simply left to spoil.)

16. City Hall's emergency command center had to be abandoned early in the crisis because its generator supposedly ran out of diesel fuel. Likewise many critical-care patients died from heat or equipment failure after hospital backup generators failed. Why were supplies of diesel fuel so inadequate? Why were so many hospital generators located in basements that would obviously flood?

17. Why didn't the Navy or Coast Guard immediately airdrop life preservers and rubber rafts in flooded districts? Why wasn't such life-saving equipment stocked in schools and hospitals?

18. Why weren't evacuee centers established in Audubon Park and other unflooded parts of Uptown, where locals could be employed as cleanup crews?

19. Is the Justice Department investigating the Jim Crow-like response of the suburban Gretna police who turned back hundreds of desperate New Orleans citizens trying to walk across the Mississippi River bridge -- an image reminiscent of Selma in 1965? New Orleans, meanwhile, abounds in eyewitness accounts of police looting and illegal shootings: Will any of this ever be investigated?

20. Who is responsible for the suspicious fires that have swept the city? Why have so many fires occurred in blue-collar areas that have long been targets of proposed gentrification, such as the Section 8 homes on Constance Street in the Lower Garden District or the wharfs along the river in Bywater?

21. Where were FEMA's several dozen vaunted urban search-and-rescue teams? Aside from some courageous work by Coast Guard helicopter crews, the early rescue effort was largely mounted by volunteers who towed their own boats into the city after hearing an appeal on television.

22. We found a massive Red Cross presence in Baton Rouge but none in some of the smaller Louisiana towns that have mounted the most impressive relief efforts. The poor Cajun community of Ville Platte, for instance, has at one time or another fed and housed more than 5,000 evacuees; but the Red Cross, along with FEMA, has refused almost daily appeals by local volunteers to send professional personnel and aid. Why then give money to the Red Cross?

23. Why isn't FEMA scrambling to create a central registry of everyone evacuated from the greater New Orleans region? Will evacuees receive absentee ballots and be allowed to vote in the crucial February municipal elections that will partly decide the fate of the city?

24. As politicians talk about "disaster czars" and elite-appointed reconstruction commissions, and as architects and developers advance utopian designs for an ethnically cleansed "new urbanism" in New Orleans, where is any plan for the substantive participation of the city's ordinary citizens in their own future?

25. Indeed, on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs? On top of this, governments, from local to federal, failed to energize and activate the disaster response system early enough to mitigate this?

I think a racist conspiracy is too much of a stretch, at least without subtantial evidence (that is, direct and not circumstantial evidence) to support such an interpretation.

This notwithstanding, it seems fairly obvious that certain sides of town are always much better-kept than other sides of town. It's been like this in nearly every country where I've lived, too. It's a rich-poor dichotomy rather than a white-black one, although in New Orleans they happen to correspond...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
This notwithstanding, it seems fairly obvious that certain sides of town are always much better-kept than other sides of town. It's been like this in nearly every country where I've lived, too. It's a rich-poor dichotomy rather than a white-black one, although in New Orleans they happen to correspond...


The Pedagogy of the Oppressed - Paulo Freire

This book was part of the change in my thinking of the application of "racism" to systemic social issues. While racism indeed exists and genocidal people, policies and events do occur, I have for a very long time believed the deeper issue is power in all its forms. Usually racism is more of a symptom. And an excuse. It's not very politic to yell about saying, "Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee!! But, "They're all sub-human swine out to rape your daughters, mothers, grandmothers and sons!!" will get the blood boiling pretty well.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs?

We've had other natural disasters in the past, none that quite so clearly pointed out the heinousness that exists in America today and for a long time now.

You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

I don't blame you for putting it aside. It's a hard one. It's the paramount question we all ought to be asking.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's so random about #19? I don't think anybody will be able to come up with a reasonable explanation for that one.

This, to me, is the least explainable m,ystery of the federal response. I can't imagine why it hasn't gotten any play in the real media.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"


Because I see it as a rhetorical question, the thesis of the article. Not really supposed to be answered.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

Because I see it as a rhetorical question, the thesis of the article. Not really supposed to be answered.

We'll have to disagree again, and I think I'll also have to point out that prerferring to see the question as mere rhertoric means you can decline to view the problems of democracy in a part of our country where endemic racism has and will likely continue to disenfranchise millions as something not worth our attention.

I'll repeat. It is what MOST deserves our attention.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs?

We've had other natural disasters in the past, none that quite so clearly pointed out the heinousness that exists in America today and for a long time now.

You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

I don't blame you for putting it aside. It's a hard one. It's the paramount question we all ought to be asking.


However if numbers 1-24 are truly random/the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" then #25 need not be even asked as these are not an assault on democracy, but simply incompetence/lack of planning/ Only if 1-24 were the result of DELIBERATE actions then #25 would make sense.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you give Ray Nagin and George Bush far too much credit if you think they could have foretold the future and prepared such a stellar response to be executed at a moments' notice. Or to imagine that within minutes of realizing the levee had broken, they would have been able to concoct some kind of Illuminati-like conspiracy to wipe out the city's poor for the benefit of... whom exactly?

Why were the poor people affected most by the disaster, and why were the most profitable businesses built on higher ground? Duh. Why weren't the Army, the Navy, the Iraqi Security Force, and the Boy Scouts immediately on scene to evacuate people by bus, train, and aeroplane? Hmm... maybe there's the small question of where a place might be found at short notice to house a couple hundred thousand refugees. Oh, and the refugees shooting the aid workers didn't help matters.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

Because I see it as a rhetorical question, the thesis of the article. Not really supposed to be answered.

We'll have to disagree again, and I think I'll also have to point out that prerferring to see the question as mere rhertoric means you can decline to view the problems of democracy in a part of our country where endemic racism has and will likely continue to disenfranchise millions as something not worth our attention.

I'll repeat. It is what MOST deserves our attention.


Let me jump in on gopher's side here. What I think gopher meant, and I see it the same, is that by tacking that on, the point was already made... because that's what rhetorical questions are for. I think your interpretation of his statement missed this.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs?

We've had other natural disasters in the past, none that quite so clearly pointed out the heinousness that exists in America today and for a long time now.

You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

I don't blame you for putting it aside. It's a hard one. It's the paramount question we all ought to be asking.

However if numbers 1-24 are truly random/the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" then #25 need not be even asked as these are not an assault on democracy, but simply incompetence/lack of planning/ Only if 1-24 were the result of DELIBERATE actions then #25 would make sense.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone - besides you, right now - suggest that the effects and the scale of the carnage were anything remotely like "random," TUM. Someone would have to be willfully ignoring the blatant truth, the truth which absolutely EVERYONE, even this sorry excuse for a president has stated clearly and unequivocably, which is simply stated thusly :

The largest bulk of the victims were poor, and the majority of the poor were black - the largest number of dead bodies found floating in the water have been dead, black bodies.

It's not necessary to theorize about a cabal of secret klansmen smoking cigars in a room and making sinister arrangements for a levy to be built weaker on the side of the river closest to the side of town occupied most commonly by people who are black and poor.

It IS necessary to admit and recognize clearly that racism and class warfare is very much alive in America, and very much a part of public policy ... and it frightens me, and ought to frighten you, that you find it so easy to ignore the evidence in front of us all and to try to say there is anything "random" about the mayhem we have witnessed.


This is one of many speeches given at the demonstration last week. Though I didn't come across it until much later, it seems to have been makling the rounds in many places on the 'net ... I'm posting it in its entirety because, despite the length, it is worth your time, and you won't be sorry.



Etan Thomas's Field Trip For Conservatives

By Etan Thomas, AlterNet

Posted on September 28, 2005, Printed on October 2, 2005 http://www.alternet.org/story/26076/

Editor's Note: The following is a transcript of NBA star Etan Thomas's speech at DC's anti-war march on Washington, Sept. 24, 2005. Thomas is a power forward for the Washington Wizards, and is the author of a book of poems entitled More Than An Athlete.

Giving all honor, thanks and praises to God for courage and wisdom, this is a very important rally. I'd like to thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts, feelings and concerns regarding a tremendous problem that we are currently facing. This problem is universal, transcending race, economic background, religion and culture, and this problem is none other than the current administration which has set up shop in the White House.

In fact, I'd like to take some of these cats on a field trip. I want to get big yellow buses with no air conditioner and no seatbelts and round up Bill O'Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Trent Lott, Sean Hannity, Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Bush Jr. and Bush Sr., John Ashcroft, Giuliani, Ed Gillespie, Katherine Harris, that little bow-tied Tucker Carlson and any other right-wing conservative Republicans I can think of, and take them all on a trip to the hood.

Not to do no 30-minute documentary. I mean, I want to drop them off and leave them there, let them become one with the other side of the tracks, get them four mouths to feed and no welfare, have scare tactics run through them like a laxative, criticizing them for needing assistance.

I'd show them working families that make too much to receive welfare but not enough to make ends meet. I'd employ them with jobs with little security, let them know how it feels to be an employee at will, able to be fired at the drop of a hat. I'd take away their opportunities, then try their children as adults, sending their 13-year-old babies to life in prison. I'd sell them dreams of hopelessness while spoon-feeding their young with a daily dose of inferior education. I'd tell them no child shall be left behind, then take more money out of their schools, tell them to show and prove themselves on standardized exams testing their knowledge on things that they haven't been taught, and then I'd call them inferior.

I'd soak into their interior notions of endless possibilities. I'd paint pictures of assisted productivity if they only agreed to be all they can be, dress them up with fatigues and boots with promises of pots of gold at the end of rainbows, free education to waste terrain on those who finish their bid. Then I'd close the lid on that barrel of fools gold by starting a war, sending their children into the midst of a hostile situation, and while they're worried about their babies being murdered and slain in foreign lands, I'd grace them with the pain of being sick and unable to get medicine.

Give them health benefits that barely cover the common cold. John Q. would become their reality as HMOs introduce them to the world of inferior care, filling their lungs with inadequate air, penny pinching at the expense of patients, doctors practicing medicine in an intricate web of rationing and regulations. Patients wander the maze of managed bureaucracy, costs rise and quality quickly deteriorates, but they say that managed care is cheaper. They'll say that free choice in medicine will defeat the overall productivity, and as co-payments are steadily rising, I'll make their grandparents have to choose between buying their medicine and paying their rent.

Then I'd feed them hypocritical lines of being pro-life as the only Christian way to be. Then very contradictingly, I'd fight for the spread of the death penalty, as if thou shall not kill applies to babies but not to criminals.

Then I'd introduce them to those sworn to protect and serve, creating a curb in their trust in the law. I'd show them the nightsticks and plungers, the pepper spray and stun guns, the mace and magnums that they'd soon become acquainted with, the shakedowns and illegal search and seizures, the planted evidence, being stopped for no reason.

Harassment ain't even the half of it. Forty-one shots to two raised hands, cell phones and wallets that are confused with illegal contrabands. I'd introduce them to pigs who love making their guns click like wine glasses. Everlasting targets surrounded by bullets, making them a walking bull's eye, a living piñata, held at the mercy of police brutality, and then we'll see if they finally weren't aware of the truth, if their eyes weren't finally open like a box of Pandora.

I'd show them how the other side of the tracks carries the weight of the world on our shoulders and how society seems to be holding us down with the force of a boulder. The bird of democracy flew the coop back in Florida.

See, for some, and justice comes in packs like wolves in sheep's clothing. T.K.O.d by the right hooks of life, many are left staggering under the weight of the day, leaning against the ropes of hope. When your dreams have fallen on barren ground, it becomes difficult to keep pushing yourself forward like a train, administering pain like a doctor with a needle, their sequels continue more lethal than injections.

They keep telling us all is equal. I'd tell them that instead of giving tax breaks to the rich, financing corporate mergers and leading us into unnecessary wars and under-table dealings with Enron and Halliburton, maybe they can work on making society more peaceful. Instead, they take more and more money out of inner city schools, give up on the idea of rehabilitation and build more prisons for poor people. With unemployment continuing to rise like a deficit, it's no wonder why so many think that crime pays.

Maybe this trip will make them see the error of their ways. Or maybe next time, we'll just all get out and vote. And as far as their stay in the White House, tell them that numbered are their days.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs?

We've had other natural disasters in the past, none that quite so clearly pointed out the heinousness that exists in America today and for a long time now.

You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

I don't blame you for putting it aside. It's a hard one. It's the paramount question we all ought to be asking.

However if numbers 1-24 are truly random/the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" then #25 need not be even asked as these are not an assault on democracy, but simply incompetence/lack of planning/ Only if 1-24 were the result of DELIBERATE actions then #25 would make sense.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone - besides you, right now - suggest that the effects and the scale of the carnage were anything remotely like "random," TUM. ..

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What are you talking about? Seriously what are you on? Mr Gopher bought up the topic of randomness first. I was merely responding to HIM and using HIS choice of words. Back that express train up sir. And I included the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" (again Mr. Gopher's words, NOT MINE) as also having a bearing on the "effects and the scale of the carnage" And if you look closely I used the word in a QUESTION not a statement about the N.O. disaster.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs?

We've had other natural disasters in the past, none that quite so clearly pointed out the heinousness that exists in America today and for a long time now.

You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

I don't blame you for putting it aside. It's a hard one. It's the paramount question we all ought to be asking.

However if numbers 1-24 are truly random/the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" then #25 need not be even asked as these are not an assault on democracy, but simply incompetence/lack of planning/ Only if 1-24 were the result of DELIBERATE actions then #25 would make sense.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone - besides you, right now - suggest that the effects and the scale of the carnage were anything remotely like "random," TUM. ..

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What are you talking about? Seriously what are you on? Mr Gopher bought up the topic of randomness first. I was merely responding to HIM and using HIS choice of words. Back that express train up sir. And I included the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" (again Mr. Gopher's words, NOT MINE) as also having a bearing on the "effects and the scale of the carnage"


And the "randomness" I cite is merely one part of a multi-causal explanation that is only partially cited here...please don't focus on one word, ignoring the full explanation I suggested.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs? ...



This is the quote Mr. Gopher wrote. Yet you wait until I post and then attack me for responding to another poster using HIS choice of words? Simply because I used another poster's choice of words does not mean that I agree with said poster, merely approaching that poster from his or her 'playing field' so as to speak.


EDIT I should have said "This is PART of the quote Mr. Gopher wrote." My apologies to Mr. Gopher.


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Gopher wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
1-24: the randomness that goes hand-in-hand with this kind of natural disaster and/or standard bureaucratic SNAFUs?

We've had other natural disasters in the past, none that quite so clearly pointed out the heinousness that exists in America today and for a long time now.

You very consciously neglected #25 : "on the fortieth anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, what has happened to democracy?"

I don't blame you for putting it aside. It's a hard one. It's the paramount question we all ought to be asking.

However if numbers 1-24 are truly random/the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" then #25 need not be even asked as these are not an assault on democracy, but simply incompetence/lack of planning/ Only if 1-24 were the result of DELIBERATE actions then #25 would make sense.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone - besides you, right now - suggest that the effects and the scale of the carnage were anything remotely like "random," TUM. ..

.


What are you talking about? Seriously what are you on? Mr Gopher bought up the topic of randomness first. I was merely responding to HIM and using HIS choice of words. Back that express train up sir. And I included the result of "bureaucractic SNAFU" (again Mr. Gopher's words, NOT MINE) as also having a bearing on the "effects and the scale of the carnage"


And the "randomness" I cite is merely one part of a multi-causal explanation that is only partially cited here...please don't focus on one word, ignoring the full explanation I suggested.


It was Mr. The Bobster who focused on one word. As you can see by the above quoted response I also included your explaination of "bureaucractic SNAFU". Rest assured sir, I was not attacking you, merely explaining a situation.
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