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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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 Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| Ajarn Miguk wrote: |
Sorry, but I don't buy it.
This latest clampdown seems to be about fake degrees.
How can anyone be confused when proffering a fake degree? |
Back in the day... back in the beeper & dial-up modem day... back in the days of obstinate little chunks of undissolved Taster's Choice swirling around on the top of your 1,500 won tabang coffee, back when I vaguely understood "Dave's ESL Cafe" to be a gyopo-owned (David Kang?), expat-friendly PC bahng located somewhere in central Seoul...
I was sitting in one of Seoul's early PC bahngs when I noticed several young knapsacked N. Americans simultaneously doctoring what looked to be diplomas on the big 17" CRTs, just as large and out-in-the-open as you please. One of them sitting at the computer beside me caught me glancing around suspiciously.
But he wasn't annoyed or alarmed at all -- he grinned and introduced himself. He turned out to be the friendliest and funniest expats, teacher or otherwise, I've ever met in Korea. He told me that as some universities had suddenly upped their requirements from Bachelor's to Master's, many ETs were having to scamper around and photoshop the necessary "alterations". I can't recall now whether I asked him, or how he replied to the obvious: Wouldn't Koreans know immediately that these new credentials are fake? How are these ETs suddenly earning advanced degrees from foreign univerisities while living and working full-time in Korea? Perhaps they were to be used to get jobs with other Korean universities, not with their current employers... I dunno.
Doubtless many steps have been taken since then to thwart this trickery. But like counterfeited money, I suppose it's an ongoing battle. Or has the new "sealed transcripts" rule got them licked? |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| MOS I do wonder if a franchise scheme can be set up for your new business idea? |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| YoungLi wrote: |
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| No offence, but degree or no degree, if professionalism is what you are after, you are in the wrong industry in the wrong country. Move back home or to Hong Kong or the Middle-East. Stay in Korea and most of the rest of Asia and you may as well start banging your bloody head off a brick wall now, because that's going to be the rest of your career |
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bosintang, if you feel that way you aren't doing yourself or anyone any favors by staying in Korea. Why don't you move back home or to Hong Kong or the Middle-East!? I read your other posts and you seem to HATE teaching English in Korea, Koreans in general, living in Korea etc....... sooooo LEAVE NOW! Attitude is everything! Your attitude is terrible. Your flipid response, "but degree or no degree" makes me wonder if your degree is fake. |
I don't hate Korea, and I don't think I ever said so. As far as hating teaching here, it's quite the opposite, I love it. I do my best and am as professional as I can be given the environment, but i also take it in stride and with a large pinch of salt.
The only reason people are here on fake credentials is because *the majority of the Korean public only wants warm bodies who happens to speak English*. Not that long ago I heard a story about a FOURTEEN-year old girl getting hired as an English teacher in Korea (illegally of course). That's right, FOURTEEN years old, popular with management and students alike. Another friend of mine here's total previous life career experience consisted of pumping gas. And then on the other hand, look at all the stories here of people with 20-30 years teaching experience who can't get a job because they're "too old".
It's laughable, and like it or not, that's how we're thought of as "teachers".
The truth hurts sometimes, and I believe many people who feel "outraged" are more hurt by their bruised egos more than anything. But I don't care. People getting caught working on fake degrees is no reflection on me, it's a reflection on the terrible and shallow demands of the "educators" and customers. It will only change when the public demands higher standards. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| [ ... Not that long ago I heard a story about a FOURTEEN-year old girl getting hired as an English teacher in Korea (illegally of course). That's right, FOURTEEN years old, popular with management and students alike. .. |
And like numberous stories, quite likely fake. Why?
(a) If her parents are living in the West, it's highly doubtful they'd sent her off to the other side of the world. Plus I'm sure that is illegal. Child labour laws?
(b) If her parents are living in Korea, why would they send their child to teach at a hakwon? Shouldn't she be in school? Wouldn't they worry about getting in trouble for the child teaching illegally? Wouldn't they worry about students (if they are older) getting abusive?
(c) Wouldn't her co-teachers be offended by a 14 year old doing the same job and (presumably) getting paid more?
(d) Most expats who are not English teachers or DDD workers make quite a bit of money. They don't need to send their child to a hakwon to make some extra cash.
(e) What about the child's own school? What about her parents? Just too many things are unlikely about this particular story without some proof. Sounds like an urban legend. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| [ ... Not that long ago I heard a story about a FOURTEEN-year old girl getting hired as an English teacher in Korea (illegally of course). That's right, FOURTEEN years old, popular with management and students alike. .. |
And like numberous stories, quite likely fake. Why?
(a) If her parents are living in the West, it's highly doubtful they'd sent her off to the other side of the world. Plus I'm sure that is illegal. Child labour laws?
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Well, specifically, it was her father I was talking to, so it's no urban legend from my perspective. Perhaps he was lying to me, but I don't have any reason to believe so. She dropped out of school for a year (or longer). He had his reasons for letting her, but obviously he's not your average father.
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(c) Wouldn't her co-teachers be offended by a 14 year old doing the same job and (presumably) getting paid more?
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I never asked..maybe they didn't even know her age, I don't know. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| [ ... Not that long ago I heard a story about a FOURTEEN-year old girl getting hired as an English teacher in Korea (illegally of course). That's right, FOURTEEN years old, popular with management and students alike. .. |
And like numberous stories, quite likely fake. Why?
(a) If her parents are living in the West, it's highly doubtful they'd sent her off to the other side of the world. Plus I'm sure that is illegal. Child labour laws?
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Well, specifically, it was her father I was talking to, so it's no urban legend from my perspective. Perhaps he was lying to me, but I don't have any reason to believe so. She dropped out of school for a year (or longer). He had his reasons for letting her, but obviously he's not your average father.
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(c) Wouldn't her co-teachers be offended by a 14 year old doing the same job and (presumably) getting paid more?
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I never asked..maybe they didn't even know her age, I don't know. |
Still sounds unlikely...where was the mother? And why didn't you mention that you talked to the father in the first post?
Still a lot of holes. If it is true, that father sounds like a real beep.
Anyway I think you've answered your own question.  |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| [ ... Not that long ago I heard a story about a FOURTEEN-year old girl getting hired as an English teacher in Korea (illegally of course). That's right, FOURTEEN years old, popular with management and students alike. .. |
And like numberous stories, quite likely fake. Why?
(a) If her parents are living in the West, it's highly doubtful they'd sent her off to the other side of the world. Plus I'm sure that is illegal. Child labour laws?
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Well, specifically, it was her father I was talking to, so it's no urban legend from my perspective. Perhaps he was lying to me, but I don't have any reason to believe so. She dropped out of school for a year (or longer). He had his reasons for letting her, but obviously he's not your average father.
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(c) Wouldn't her co-teachers be offended by a 14 year old doing the same job and (presumably) getting paid more?
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I never asked..maybe they didn't even know her age, I don't know. |
Still sounds unlikely...where was the mother? And why didn't you mention that you talked to the father in the first post?
Still a lot of holes. If it is true, that father sounds like a real beep |
Well to be honest, i was debating how much information I felt comfortable revealing. You don' t know me and I don't expect you to believe me, but I do believe this guy. He's a sincere enough person, and like I said, he had his reasons. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Ajarn Miguk wrote: |
Sorry, but I don't buy it.
This latest clampdown seems to be about fake degrees.
How can anyone be confused when proffering a fake degree? |
Back in the day... back in the beeper & dial-up modem day... back in the days of obstinate little chunks of undissolved Taster's Choice swirling around on the top of your 1,500 won tabang coffee, back when I vaguely understood "Dave's ESL Cafe" to be a gyopo-owned (David Kang?), expat-friendly PC bahng located somewhere in central Seoul...
I was sitting in one of Seoul's early PC bahngs when I noticed several young knapsacked N. Americans simultaneously doctoring what looked to be diplomas on the big 17" CRTs, just as large and out-in-the-open as you please. One of them sitting at the computer beside me caught me glancing around suspiciously.
But he wasn't annoyed or alarmed at all -- he grinned and introduced himself. He turned out to be the friendliest and funniest expats, teacher or otherwise, I've ever met in Korea. He told me that as some universities had suddenly upped their requirements from Bachelor's to Master's, many ETs were having to scamper around and photoshop the necessary "alterations". I can't recall now whether I asked him, or how he replied to the obvious: Wouldn't Koreans know immediately that these new credentials are fake? How are these ETs suddenly earning advanced degrees from foreign univerisities while living and working full-time in Korea? Perhaps they were to be used to get jobs with other Korean universities, not with their current employers... I dunno.
Doubtless many steps have been taken since then to thwart this trickery. But like counterfeited money, I suppose it's an ongoing battle. Or has the new "sealed transcripts" rule got them licked? |
Well I suppose that if you can "doctor" transcripts that the same is true of envelopes and seals. It would just take some extra work no? |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| So, whatever happened to this David Kang dude? Anybody know? Is he still in jail, is he in the U.S.? |
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