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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Yeah, but what's the point of this or that degree anymore when you're going to be replaced by robots? |
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Ajarn Miguk
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: TDY As Assigned
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Yeah, but what's the point of this or that degree anymore when you're going to be replaced by robots? |
The next big thing, EBL teachers. (English as a Binary Language) |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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If you wanted to know the technical term for using fake qualifications , this is it.
"Presenting a false document with intent to commit pecuniary gain and grand larceny in the fourth degree. "
Korea has been a haven for unqualified teachers with conditions almost as good as Japan(pay mostly) for eons. It was only a matter of time before someone would take the initiative to spring clean the larder.
With the Patriot Act's influence crossing international borders and seeking compliance from member states(New Zealanders must submit the private address of the residence they will be staying if visiting the USA, effective as of a few days ago) in knowing who you are, what you are doing, in combination with new biometric passports, means the "good ol' days" of being anonymous and unaccountable are almost at an end.
In China, fake degrees can be bought near major universities. One unemployed guy actually bought a back street masters degree and scored a job at a chinese uni. He managed to keep his job for a few weeks before students questioned his competence related to subject knowledge. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| In China, fake degrees can be bought near major universities. One unemployed guy actually bought a back street masters degree and scored a job at a chinese uni. He managed to keep his job for a few weeks before students questioned his competence related to subject knowledge. |
It is my understanding that China is generally very tough on crime. Perhaps it is an understatement considering that country's long history of human rights abuses  . I wonder if that "unemployed guy" ever went to jail (Chinese torture) and what became of those involved in the "back street" market of selling fake degrees. I shudder to know the consequences  . Why on earth would someone be stupid enough risk everything for a job, especially in China of all places   
Degrees are not bought or stolen. They are something to be earned and once earned can never be taken away from you so long as you live. It's your education, a wealth of knowledge that you bring with you wherever you go in life. A piece of paper that shows certification is only proof of your degree, but not the degree itself!
Sometimes I am offended when I read such statements as, "send your degree to xyz" and I think to myself they really need to rephrase this request. They should say something along the lines of, "send the official certificate showing proof of your degree to xyz." It's a certificate not a degree Again, a degree is NOT a piece of paper but if it were I could buy duplicate copies of my degree over and over for $50.00 each from my university. Nevertheless, I would still only hold ONE degree from that university. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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I'm not going into too much detail, or I might give someone away, but a friend asked me what I knew about this situation. Apparently, friend of theirs needed a shoulder to cry on, and proceeded to go into a big crying sob story about being here on an illegal degree via David Kang. This guy didn't know what to do, and was very freaked out. He cried a lot, and is afraid to leave the country, for fear of being jailed at the airport. A person he knows was picked up for the same thing, and he knows he is probably next.
Hey, that makes me wonder. What chance do you think someone has of getting out if they borrow a passport from a friend that looks like them. Then return home. Then the friend waits a week to report the passport stolen/missing, and gets a new one? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, that makes me wonder. What chance do you think someone has of getting out if they borrow a passport from a friend that looks like them. Then return home. Then the friend waits a week to report the passport stolen/missing, and gets a new one? |
Why don't they take a couple of kilos of nose candy through customs while they're at it?  Are you crazy? |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, that makes me wonder. What chance do you think someone has of getting out if they borrow a passport from a friend that looks like them. Then return home. Then the friend waits a week to report the passport stolen/missing, and gets a new one? |
Why don't they take a couple of kilos of nose candy through customs while they're at it? Are you crazy? |
BBE is someone's reincarnation after a banning. No intelligent person would realistically suggest that as a course of action (that said, perhaps he really is a dumbass). |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah that'll work, better yet just stow away on a ferry to Japan or China, then use his real passport and return home from there, but hey, don't forget to get those secret documents back to HQ and get Allota Vaginaes phone number Bond! |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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I'm not going into too much detail, or I might give someone away, but a friend asked me what I knew about this situation. Apparently, friend of theirs needed a shoulder to cry on, and proceeded to go into a big crying sob story about being here on an illegal degree via David Kang. This guy didn't know what to do, and was very freaked out. He cried a lot, and is afraid to leave the country, for fear of being jailed at the airport. A person he knows was picked up for the same thing, and he knows he is probably next.
Hey, that makes me wonder. What chance do you think someone has of getting out if they borrow a passport from a friend that looks like them. Then return home. Then the friend waits a week to report the passport stolen/missing, and gets a new one? |
Incheon Immigration at the airport currently has a policy of issuing a one-year prohibition on re-entry with no cash penalty for people who have overstayed their visas or are leaving voluntarily before they are picked up for false paperwork or other visa violations.
Though this only applies to that one location. Busan and Seoul Immigration offices hand down much stricter terms. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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Isn't it odd that after 'hundreds' of westerners were 'apparently' rounded up, imprisoned, perhaps tortured (or at least fed sour kimchi and chinese rice) that there hasn't even been an article in a newspaper or mention in the TV news (or has there?)!
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't it odd that after 'hundreds' of westerners we rounded up, imprisoned, perhaps tortured (or at least fed sour kimchi and chinese rice) that there hasn't even been an article in a newspaper or mention in the TV news (or has there?)! |
Not odd at all. You know how nationalistic this press and government is, don't you? The Westerners wasting away in "East Asia's Guantanamo" may as well be starving, tortured North Koreans for all the media coverage they don't get. Amnesty International doesn't even know about them yet.  |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Not odd at all. You know how nationalistic this press and government is, don't you? The Westerners wasting away in "East Asia's Guantanamo" may as well be starving, tortured North Koreans for all the media coverage they don't get. Amnesty International doesn't even know about them yet. |
Now that was pure Gold jongnoGuru!
It was either sarcasm and humour or a very bad and quite ludicrous comparison.....
I am hoping it was the first option.
If it is option 2: why would Amnesty international bother with people busted for commiting fraud (fake degrees) and then being lawfully imprisoned or deported?
Would amnesty get involved with people being jailed for commiting fraud in Canada or the US?
And the "East Asia's Guantanamo" ...come on now...you have to be joking here if not that is very sad.
Immigration is cracking down on westerner teachers who are here illegally because they used fake credentials there is not credible way to defend people who get arrested for this. They bought fake degrees with the intent to falsely represent themselves and get a work visa in a foreign country with forged documents. How much clearer could this be?
The penalties for this are according to Korean law when it comes to fraud. They chose to roll the dice and now they have to pay the piper and take responsability for their actions. When oh when will people start taking responsability for what they do instead of blaming everyone else for misfortunes they created by their own actions and choices? |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| Not odd at all. You know how nationalistic this press and government is, don't you? The Westerners wasting away in "East Asia's Guantanamo" may as well be starving, tortured North Koreans for all the media coverage they don't get. Amnesty International doesn't even know about them yet. |
Now that was pure Gold jongnoGuru!
It was either sarcasm and humour or a very bad and quite ludicrous comparison.....
I am hoping it was the first option.
If it is option 2: why would Amnesty international bother with people busted for commiting fraud (fake degrees) and then being lawfully imprisoned or deported?
Would amnesty get involved with people being jailed for commiting fraud in Canada or the US?
And the "East Asia's Guantanamo" ...come on now...you have to be joking here if not that is very sad.
Immigration is cracking down on westerner teachers who are here illegally because they used fake credentials there is not credible way to defend people who get arrested for this. They bought fake degrees with the intent to falsely represent themselves and get a work visa in a foreign country with forged documents. How much clearer could this be?
The penalties for this are according to Korean law when it comes to fraud. They chose to roll the dice and now they have to pay the piper and take responsability for their actions. When oh when will people start taking responsability for what they do instead of blaming everyone else for misfortunes they created by their own actions and choices? |
Homer, you tend to take things a little too seriously. Jongno's post was quite clearly done in jest as was mine. In case you didn't get it, I was highlighting the fact that in all probability hundreds haven't been incarcerated and no one is rotting away in a K pen. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Hey, either way, it was "pure gold" and Homer said so! Woo-hooo!
You know, that calls for upping the Main Volume Control on the old (new) Aiwa AWP-ZX7 to... yep -- Level 14!!  The dog starts singing along at Level 16, so I gotta be careful here. (BTW, am I the only member of Dave's who knows who Vic Godard is? Bet I am.)
Anyway, no, I wasn't being terribly serious there, Homer. I wasn't being serious, but I also wasn't looking to have a laugh at the expense of anyone who might actually be sitting in a Korean holding pen either. So I threw in the jab at this government and the media and the blind eye they turn to their precious "brethern" oop North. About that I guarantee you, I meant every mean-spirited syllable. |
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