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Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

My understanding is that it is our consciousness that needs to be clarified - or purified. Material "dust" or contamination has accumulated on the "mirror" of our minds over many lifetimes and needs to be cleaned off before we can clearly see ourselves and God with spiritual vision. The recommended cleansing process is chanting transcendental sound vibrations, the most effective being the maha mantra: hare (huh-RAY) krishna, hare krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare, hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare

Deconstructor · Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada

What happens after we die? Nothing!!! Don't we all know this already? What's the point of this thread? I mean really! We all know intuitively that there is nothing after death, but we still create bullsh*t theories just to get through life in one piece and without dread. HUMAN BEINGS ARE SUCH PUS*IES! The secret of life is that there is no secret. THERE IS NOTHINGNESS, less then nothingness, even absence of nothingness, absence of absence!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE VERY UNIVERSE IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR THE MOMENT YOU CROAK. DEATH IS ABSENCE OF ITSELF. And you all know this. This is as far as I can push language to describe bul*sh*t.

You wanna relax and die without dread, keep busy, stay close to loved ones, smoke a joint, have some wine and don't WHINE. I prefer this over every theory of life after death put together. F*ck all religions and every philosopher that came up with a theory of life after life!!!

The strong play in a meaningless universe and love their doomed fate like Wile E. Coyote: naked, alone, in a desert, chasing a pointless desire and never catching it.

BEEP-BEEP mother f*cker!!!!

Pardon me. I forgot: F*CK GOD!

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

What we all should really know is that your post reflects the thoughts of a foolish rascal... Rolling Eyes

ChimpumCallao · Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Even from a gambler's perspective it makes all the sense in the world to bet on the fact that God exists. A hedonistic life just leads to more material misery the way laws of nature work. A person leading a nice devotional life can also enjoy the finer aspects of art and culture without getting degraded by unrestricted intoxication, sex, animal killing, etc. If a personal God doesn't exist, what has the devotee lost? But - if God does exist - and if we've ignored, insulted and offended Him by our words and deeds - then we're screwed big time... When they finished constructing the Titanic and before its maiden launch, its proud builders declared "Even God can't sink this ship!" As we all know, God soon responded to the challenge...

Deconstructor · Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada

The only reason humans believe in God is because we are scared sh*tless of Him and precisely because we are hedonists. Believing in God means that I get some goodies in the end and avoid pain. If God was neutral, that is, if He gave us nothing and took nothing, we wouldn't consider Him for a moment in our lives.

Believing in God is the ultimate selfish, dishonest and stupid act. It is a mark of a scoundrel�s last hope.

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

It always amazes me that people who don't believe in a God seem to have such strong opinions about others and their ideas who do. If there is no God and you don't believe in a Heaven or a hell, then why do you feel the need to tell others that. (Fine, No God, then live your life and ignore others who believe in one), it wont make any difference anyway.

Those who believe in a God feel the need to tell others, because they feel obliged to tell others or they have been taught to do that. Those who don't believe in a God don't need to tell anyone. I have never been told to go out and sell the idea that God doesn't exist. If he doesn't then don't say anything, it doesn't matter, does it?

Its pointless.

Deconstructor · Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

There are many different conceptions of God, and some religious traditions stress the "fear" angle. The conception of God that I think is the most inclusive - and is based on the original religion of ancient India - is that God is the supreme enjoyer of all relationships with his innumerable separated part-and-parcel living entities (including us...) God's only business is to enjoy forever, and because our spirit-souls are of the same nature as God we also want to enjoy forever.

Before we causelessly desired by our free will to come to this world of false pleasure and real suffering to try to enjoy independently of God, we were also sharing in God's enjoyment endlessly. Since love can't be forced, God reluctantly fulfilled our desire to try to enjoy without Him by creating the material world where the laws of nature are set up to be very harsh (like a prison house) just so we'd eventually desire to go back to our original home (never to leave again...) Like I've stated before, it'll all seem like just a bad dream when we return to one of the self-effulgent spiritual planets in the spiritual sky (Vaikuntha - place of no anxiety...) Stubbornly, many of us cling to the notion that we really can be happy in this world by some material arrangement, but all material relationships end in disappointment or frustration. The amount of happiness here is practically nil compared to all the suffering. But real happiness does exist somewhere - and reviving our original God-consciousness, which is dormant in all of us, is the key to reaching it...

igotthisguitar · Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:30 am Post subject:

Really a shame this wasn't a poll.

A wide range of respected traditions believe we must live with our "karma" over millions of lifetimes. I believe Christ was well aware of this as was the Buddha, as have a plethora of philosophers ( PLATO etc ), mystics, truth seekers of the ages.

So does it seem was Issac Newton, who in formulating his laws of thermodynamics told us: 1) nothing is neither created nor destroyed but rather simply transformed ( i.e. reincarnation ), AND 2) for every ACTION there is a REACTION of equal yet opposite EFFECT ( i.e. karma ).

Why not ask yourself this question: "When we're dead, what's it like to wonder about what happens when we're alive?" Wink

Deconstructor · Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada

The simplest answer is probably the correct one. Look around!! THERE IS NO GOD. Nothingness is the foundation of everything including the very human condition. At its core resides the profound contradiction of being and nothingness.

We are romantics with rich imagination; hence the concept of God.

If God did not exist, we would have created Him. So says Voltaire.

SPINOZA · Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul

Whilst I enjoyed your posts there, Deconstructor, I don't generally agree with atheism. For me - an agnostic - atheists are just as bad as theists. To say "there is no God" requires the same leap of faith as to say "there is a God".

Frankly, none of us have a clue whether there's a God or not.

drgoo · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Location: Home, sweet home

hojucandy · Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Location: In a better place

yu stop posting on daves....

and move to expats

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

The quote about eternal consciousness being enigmatic and not providing explainations is missing the point completedly. As long as we are in mundane consciousness we are trapped in temperary bodies full of all kinds of mental and physical problems. Once our consciousness is purified our eternal consciousness will be full of knowledge -free of any trace of ignorance - and full of ever-increasing transcendental pleasure -with no bodily or mental suffering at all...