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Babayaga
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: Tolstoy fans ?? |
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I adore Tolstoy. For me personally, he's the greatest writer of all time, definitely 19th Century, definitely the best Russian writer!
Masterful, superb charaterization, particularly of female heroines.
Philosophical , thought--provoking subject matter, warm--hearted and sympathetic towards his characters.
Basically, I find him to be a very human writer.
My favourite works are War and Peace , "The Death of Ivan Ilyitch" and Resurrection.
And yours?
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Gopher

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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Add "The Kruetzer Sonata" to that list. I agree War and Peace is an exceptionally great work. |
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Babayaga
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Add "The Kruetzer Sonata" to that list. I agree War and Peace is an exceptionally great work. |
I liked "The Kreutzer Sonata", too. Although bitter and shocking, it is thought--provoking and enlightening. Tolstoy did make a good point about the women of the upper classes being raised in such a way as to almost become their husbands' courtesans.
Which characters in War and Peace did you like the most? |
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canuck in Ansan
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I've actually just started Anna Karenina, but am not very far in yet.
I've also heard that he is a very human writer. I'm looking forward to reading more! |
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Babayaga
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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canuck in Ansan wrote: |
I've actually just started Anna Karenina, but am not very far in yet.
I've also heard that he is a very human writer. I'm looking forward to reading more! |
Enjoy the book! Which character do you like the most in Anna K. ?
The least?
I liked Anna, Kitty, Levin. Couldn't stand Vronsky's mother. Stiva Oblonsky got on my nerves because of his unfaithfulness. However, I read this book a long time ago, so I don't remember each character very well. |
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batman

Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Oh so close to where I want to be
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Agree. Tolstoy is one of my eternal favourites. Read War and Peace at least
six times over the past 15 years. Of his novel War and Peace is my most beloved (though I could pass on his theory of history and his brain-beating didacticism). I am also a great fan of his many short stories and of his later, religious-based, works.
The biography of the man is as interesting as the best of his fiction. From the
gambling days of his youth, the time he served in the military, to his later years as the foremost author of pre-Soviet Russia. I think the fact that he died while trying to run away at a very ripe age just endears him to me that much more.
Of the characters in War and Peace, I believe my favourite is Pierre. Next to Natasha it is my opinion that he is one of the most complex and the one who
offers the most surprises during the course of the novel.
I agree with Babayaga and the comment about Tolsoy's " Masterful,{and} superb charaterization". Considering the size of the novel and the number of characters contained within, it is incredible how each and every one appears to possess personalities which are both unique and distinct. |
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pollyplummer

Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Tolstoy fans ?? |
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Babayaga wrote: |
Masterful, superb charaterization, particularly of female heroines.
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Then Anna Karenina is for you. Have you read it? If not, go to the bookstore and get it ASAP. On your day off, get the book and then find a cozy coffee shop with couches.
If I may, I'd like to recommend another book that I'm reading right now. Not Tolstoy, but I think you'd like it: Reading Lolita in Tehran by Azar Nafisi. I wasn't initially attracted by the title, but I picked it up on the recommendation of a friend and I LOVE it! It's the coziest book for autumn. Excellent characterization and a great grasp of what it takes to write good fiction. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Tolstoy - like most of the (in my opinion) really great writers and thinkers throughout history - was vegetarian... |
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canuck in Ansan
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Babayaga wrote: |
canuck in Ansan wrote: |
I've actually just started Anna Karenina, but am not very far in yet.
I've also heard that he is a very human writer. I'm looking forward to reading more! |
Enjoy the book! Which character do you like the most in Anna K. ?
The least?
I liked Anna, Kitty, Levin. Couldn't stand Vronsky's mother. Stiva Oblonsky got on my nerves because of his unfaithfulness. However, I read this book a long time ago, so I don't remember each character very well. |
Well, so far I like everyone...but I'm probably not far enough in to dislike anyone yet. (just reached page 100ish). I do like Anna, Kitty and Levin so far though, but have only just "met" vronsky's mother. I'll have to get back to you on that! =] |
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death from above

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Location: in your head
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Dostoevsky is so much better.. |
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Babayaga
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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batman wrote: |
Of the characters in War and Peace, I believe my favourite is Pierre. Next to Natasha it is my opinion that he is one of the most complex and the one who
offers the most surprises during the course of the novel.
I agree with Babayaga and the comment about Tolsoy's " Masterful,{and} superb charaterization". Considering the size of the novel and the number of characters contained within, it is incredible how each and every one appears to possess personalities which are both unique and distinct. |
Well said, that comment of yours about Tolstoy's characters. One of Tolstoy's critics that I 've read even said, that the characters are so complete and individualized that they continue to evolve and grow in our minds long after we've put down the book. |
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Babayaga
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Of the characters in War and Peace, my favourite has always been Prince Andrey, because he's so fascinating and unusual. I've always wondered whether such people do really exist: those who yearn for the peace and nobility of death even when quite young. There's something metaphysical and uncorporeal about him. Also, I've always sympathized with his frustrated quest for happiness and, particularly in my very young days, was disheartened that it didn't work out for him and Natasha. Later I realized, that his pride and uncompromising standards was what kept him from achieving fulfillment in life.
Of the female characters, Natasha has always been my favourite. I was really moved by her spontaneity, her joy in life, her passionate and warm nature. I didn't like the way Tolstoy portrayed her in the Epilogue,though : I think she should have married someone other than Pierre; that way she would have retained her charm and specialness. Personally, I think Andrey would have kept her more disciplined, and she could have developed more intellectually under his influence. But maybe it's just a modern woman's analysis.
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Babayaga
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Tolstoy fans ?? |
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pollyplummer wrote: |
Babayaga wrote: |
Masterful, superb charaterization, particularly of female heroines.
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Then Anna Karenina is for you. Have you read it? If not, go to the bookstore and get it ASAP. On your day off, get the book and then find a cozy coffee shop with couches.
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Yes, I read it a long time ago, when still a teenager. I really liked it then, but since then other works by Tolstoy have supplanted it in my estimation. ( See my first post ). It certainly has great characterization: it's fascinating how Tolstoy creates his characters, complete with facial expressions, gestures and mannerisms, which change as the character changes.
Do you agree with people who compare it to Madame Bovary, though? I think there are significant differences, both in the circumstances and the character of the heroine. |
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Babayaga
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: |
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death from above wrote: |
Dostoevsky is so much better.. |
Why do you like Dostoyevsky better?
I've enjoyed some of his works, but basically I find him a bit gruesome. Too much murder for me. I'm not really into characters with pathological drives . But I liked his use of dream psychology,though. |
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ddeubel

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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe nobody mentioned his "Confessions"....great stuff and very , very human (as the OP mentioned). I love Tolstoy for his humane stance against all sorts of "shit" -- I kinda Slavic Voltaire....especially read his religious writings --really not religious in the sense of being preachy or biblical.....
He really was a pain to the authorities at the time...Yasna Polyana became a kind of commune where people who believe in "the light" and benevolence could gather.....Tolstoy really was a Quaker in disguise. Ghandi got his ideas of non-violence from him , especially his ideas of civil disobedience regarding the state and conscription....he hate and documented the pain of those who wouldn't obey the state and suffered years in the gulag.
anyways, get some of his later non-fiction writings!!! As an aside, Tolstoy claimed loud and clear that his worst writing was both "Anna Karenina " and "War and Peace" -- he referred to them as "dribble" and soap operas....
DD
"Nobody knows the power of the state who hasn't been to jail" |
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