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bigverne

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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Here is a photo of a BNP rally held last year |
Is it? It seems to be a photo from an NF rally, who the BNP split from years ago. They are also far more openly racist than the BNP. |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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| Here is a photo of a BNP rally held last year |
It's not here. Were they calling for mass murder? I never said I agree with everything they say anyway.
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If you can't see the photo try copying the link into your browser. It shows police officers escorting the marchers, some of whom are holding up banners saying "Islam out of Britina" and "Shut down all Mosques in Britain".
My point in showing it was that you seemed to imply that only Islamic extremists are given police escorts. That's not true.
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| That doesn't mean anyone can march wherever they want, whenever they want though- here's a news story about 'Anti-Nazi League' members not being allowed to protest outside a BNP event for example |
Doesn't that make sense?
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Err yes it does, that's why I provided the link. Again, my point is that in these cases the police and local authorities applying the law, not being 'apologists' for either side.
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| Do you really think providing a police guard implies that the local authorities support the cause of a rally? |
These muslims were calling for the mass murder of Jews. There are laws against that in the UK. Why weren't they adhered to? |
Yep there are, the law mentions something like "inciting racial hatred". I don't know the specifics of the law or whether it was broken in the rally you saw (I reckon there must be some leeway for rallies and stuff, how many banners do you see saying stuff like "Charge the paedophiles within the full extent of the law!"?).
I can find two people who have been charged with inciting racial hatred though:
A Muslim anti-semite (he was convicted)
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Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP.
The point I'm making is that things don't flow all one way in UK race relations, and I don't think we need the good old BNP to stick up for our rights as white Britons before Number 10 is turned into a mosque. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Here is a photo of a BNP rally held last year |
Is it? It seems to be a photo from an NF rally, who the BNP split from years ago. They are also far more openly racist than the BNP. |
If so that would prove SJ's point even more. |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Here is a photo of a BNP rally held last year |
Is it? It seems to be a photo from an NF rally, who the BNP split from years ago. They are also far more openly racist than the BNP. |
Agreed it could be, but I got it from this site http://www.leica-gallery.net/bds/folder-6599.html
the heading was "BNP rally 9.4.04" so I'm assuming that some NF members turned up to a BNP rally. Could be labelled wrong though I suppose |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I think extremists should be allowed to march, as long as they do not break any laws.
However, I think this is a distraction from the main issue raised. Namely, Britain's pandering to the most absurd muslim demands, and that muslim organisations and individuals just as extreme as the BNP, if not more so, have the ear of government, and an open platform in the media, where their unpalatable views are only now being challenged.
Can anyone account for this? |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| There are no churches in Saudi Arabia. Why must there be mosques in England? |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| I believe there is one - on the Aramco compound at Dahran. That aside, I guess we have mosques in UK for reasons similar to yours for having them in your country: we are a free, liberal, secular western-style democracies modelled on the original Greek-Roman format - completely unlike the KSA model. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| That aside, I guess we have mosques in UK for reasons similar to yours for having them in your country: we are a free, liberal, secular western-style democracies modelled on the original Greek-Roman format - completely unlike the KSA model. |
Say, that's right!
Our countries were founded ON VALUES AND FREEDOMS INIMICAL TO MUSLIMS. Our founding fathers and their traditions you reference had nothing to do with Muslims.
That must be why Muslims who we force to emigrate to our nations are so uncomfortable living there and seek to change our society to suit them. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:20 am Post subject: |
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I believe it's called having your cake and eating eat.
We wan't access to your economic opportunities but have no intention of integrating, and will in fact, demand that you change to suit us.
Banning pigs and accomodating sexist medieval dress codes is bad enough. What is even worse is that the government, at the behest of muslim organisations, is bringing a law that would make 'Incitement to Religious Hatred' a crime. This sounds inoffensive enough, but the wording of the law is so vague and open to interpretation that it may well be used by over sensitive muslims to bring lawsuits (guess who pays for those!) against anyone who says something nasty about Islam.
So, for example, someone making a connection between Islamic theology and the scourge of Islamic terrorism could be hauled before the courts for inciting religious hatred. What is most hilarious is that the Koran, a book which refers to Jews as 'monkeys and pigs' could itself be charged with this offence.
I can think of no other immigrant group to the UK that makes such demands of the state and causes such problems. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
| If you can't see the photo try copying the link into your browser. |
Okay, it's there now.
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| It shows police officers escorting the marchers, some of whom are holding up banners saying "Islam out of Britina" and "Shut down all Mosques in Britain". |
Much less extreme than 'let's have another holocaust."
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| My point in showing it was that you seemed to imply that only Islamic extremists are given police escorts. That's not true. |
I think there is a big difference between calling for the closure of mosques, and calling for the extermination of the Jewish people.
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| Err yes it does, that's why I provided the link. Again, my point is that in these cases the police and local authorities applying the law, not being 'apologists' for either side. |
With respect to the march that took place in my hometown; the authorities failed to uphold the law by allowing the muslim protestors to openly call for the mass murder of the Jewish people.
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| (I reckon there must be some leeway for rallies and stuff, how many banners do you see saying stuff like "Charge the paedophiles within the full extent of the law!"?). |
We were talking about race hate crimes.
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Apparently, even Italians are prone to appeasing muslim colonists:-
Last week, a public elementary school in the northern city of Treviso decided that Little Red Riding Hood would be this year�s Christmas play instead of the Christmas story.
The teachers said the famous tale was a fitting representation of the struggle between good and evil and would not offend Muslim children. The school�s traditional nativity scene was scrapped for the same reason.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1041210/asp/foreign/story_4109788.asp |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: |
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bigverne

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Islamic tolerance from Denmark.
Daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten has been forced to hire security guard to protect employees from angry Muslims, after it printed a series of cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed.
Death threats have forced daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten to hire security guards to protect its employees, after printing twelve cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed.
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/91408.html |
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bigverne

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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The British Police continue with their pathetic kowtowing to the sensitivities of the muslim community.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4487108.stm
Top police officers have criticised plans to allow the shutting down of places of worship such as mosques suspected of inciting extremism.
In their response to proposals to give courts the power to close such premises, police warned there were better ways to deal with the problem.
Assistant Chief Constable Rob Beckley of the Association of Chief Police Officers said it was a "blunt tool".
"This proposal might be seen as an attack on religion," he said.
In response ACC Beckley, who is responsible for Acpo's community relations, said the plan could be seen as specifically targeting Islam.
When the threat we face does not come from a specific religious group, that religious group will no longer be targeted. How many more people have to die before our police put the safety of the public before the narrow interests of muslims, who seem more concerned with 'Islamophobia' than fighting the terrorist threat in their own community. Political Correctness is now so deeply ingrained in the police that I seriously doubt their ability to counter this threat effectively. |
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c1204887
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: Religion should not be an issue |
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We should stop letting religion and race be an issue, can i request that something is banned because it offends me a white none religious male.
Hell no, I get refused an application form to because a fireman or policeman because they already have enough white males, it's okay that they are understaffed but they must accept any offer from an ethnic minority or female to be representative. It doesn't matter if they are not qualified, we can put them on a poster, that is proper equality.
After all it is meritocracy and equality that we are striving for isn't it?
Oh no it's a corporate diversity Colours of Benneton photo shoot we really want.
I love the diversity and culture that people of other cultures bring to the UK but they come to the UK and I think it's about time we had a bit of backbone and remaind our new countreymen, when in Rome ... |
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