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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| s RR approaching some kind of breakdown? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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28 million? At a public school the base salary is 2.1 M a month. You get an extra 100,000 won apiece for having (a) experience (b) a TESOL degree (c) a rural workplace. So that's (if you have all the above) 2.4M a month. 2.4*13=31.2 million won a year. And then you add on free housing and plane ticket. Not to mention that you only work 22 40 minutes classes. Less than 20 hours a week. That's less than HALF of what these college graduates have to work for. And no Saturdays to boot. Just in terms of salary alone you are much better off. When you factor in working hours there is just no comparison.
RR get out of the hakwon rat race. If as you claim you have such good qualifications, why don't you go for a public school job? The difference is night and day. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:36 am Post subject: |
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The phrase "time and time again" is a little bit of an exaggeration. I rarely refer to hagwon workers. I do mention teachers and professors often. |
Professors? As in foreigners who are real university professors (tenure track, publish papers, do research and teach) or you talking about university level English instructors who happen to be called "professor" out of a sign of respect?
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Look at sessional faculty at the University of British Columbia (UBC).
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Why? This is another country. Compare a GP MD in the USA to a GP MD in Korea. Which one gets paid more?
If you can get such a job at UBC then go for it. If you can't, they find a job that pays you what you think you're worth and stop complaining about it. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| RR get out of the hakwon rat race. If as you claim you have such good qualifications, why don't you go for a public school job? The difference is night and day. |
Doesn't he work for a university? I thought I remember him saying that once. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but there are quite a few universities that are afflilated with hakwons and quite a few more that act like they ARE hakwons. He sounds like he's at one of the above. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Look at sessional faculty at the University of British Columbia (UBC).
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Why? This is another country. Compare a GP MD in the USA to a GP MD in Korea. Which one gets paid more?
If you can get such a job at UBC then go for it. If you can't, they find a job that pays you what you think you're worth and stop complaining about it. |
In my case this is a very relevant comparison. Had I completed my PhD, a sessional job at a place like UBC is probably the best job I could have got if I didn't want to live in America. In terms of net income, and especially income saved, I'm way better off in Korea. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Annual salary information provider www.payopen.co.kr conducted a survey of the nation's top 845 companies by sale and found that the annual salary for entry level workers average 25.2 million won.
This is the first time for the country's largest annual salary information provider to release official annual salary data. It plans to submit the information regularly. Of the respondents, the top three high-paying companies included Shinhan Bank, Kyongnam Bank and SBS, in that order. Newly hired staff of the three companies were paid the highest level of 37 million won before taxes.... Samsung Electronics only paid new workers 28 million won in entry-level wages.
1st Yr Salaries Average $24,000
By Choi Kyong-ae, Korea Times (October 18, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200510/kt2005101819053111890.htm
In Germany, Ireland, South Korea, and Switzerland, among others, teachers earn at least twice the GDP per capita.
http://www.veaweteach.org/articles_archives_detail.asp?ContentID=324
MS Excel document from OECD
www1.oecd.org/els/education/ei/eag/tables/D1.xls
"No chair for foreigner" GM Daewoo head told
The "no-foreigners" rule was first made in 2001 when then-Samsung Motor was being sold to Renault.
by Kim Tae-jin and Lee Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (January 18, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200501/17/200501172228551609900090509051.html
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous.
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
Individual Selfishness Damages Economy
Collective selfishness is all the rage despite the fact that the Korean economy still has a long way to reach its goal. People are more concerned about having their own share of the pie rather than cooperating with each other to help society in a general way.
Donga.com (June 30, 2003)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=020000&biid=2003070115228
What about corruption at universities?
see an article by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Annual salary information provider www.payopen.co.kr conducted a survey of the nation's top 845 companies by sale and found that the annual salary for entry level workers average 25.2 million won.
This is the first time for the country's largest annual salary information provider to release official annual salary data. It plans to submit the information regularly. Of the respondents, the top three high-paying companies included Shinhan Bank, Kyongnam Bank and SBS, in that order. Newly hired staff of the three companies were paid the highest level of 37 million won before taxes.... Samsung Electronics only paid new workers 28 million won in entry-level wages.
1st Yr Salaries Average $24,000
By Choi Kyong-ae, Korea Times (October 18, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200510/kt2005101819053111890.htm
In Germany, Ireland, South Korea, and Switzerland, among others, teachers earn at least twice the GDP per capita.
http://www.veaweteach.org/articles_archives_detail.asp?ContentID=324
MS Excel document from OECD
www1.oecd.org/els/education/ei/eag/tables/D1.xls
"No chair for foreigner" GM Daewoo head told
The "no-foreigners" rule was first made in 2001 when then-Samsung Motor was being sold to Renault.
by Kim Tae-jin and Lee Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (January 18, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200501/17/200501172228551609900090509051.html
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous.
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
Individual Selfishness Damages Economy
Collective selfishness is all the rage despite the fact that the Korean economy still has a long way to reach its goal. People are more concerned about having their own share of the pie rather than cooperating with each other to help society in a general way.
Donga.com (June 30, 2003)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=020000&biid=2003070115228
What about corruption at universities?
see an article by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html |
What do you actually do with these links other than post them here? Do you maintain some "korea sucks" clipping service? |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| all i have to say is I make the same amount of money as a public school teacher with an MA and 8 years experience in my hometown and I work 1/4th the hours and put up with 1/100th the bs |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| What do you actually do with these links other than post them here? Do you maintain some "korea sucks" clipping service? |
Hey, someone's got to! 
I once theorised that Real Reality was waging a one-man battle to rid the land of all his competition by slowly and methodically grinding down every other English teacher's morale, willpower and sense of self-worth. Each article, each link, another corrosive drop of acid on the soul... drip, sizzle....drip, sizzle....drip, sizzle.....drip, sizzle.....
But that's not the case, as his agenda is much wider that "woe is us English teachers". It's "woe is us foreigners in Korea" and "woe is us men", too. Reading too many of his threads in one sitting will make you want to change careers, leave Korea and get a sex change. 
I mean, assuming you're a male teacher in Korea. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Real Reality 
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| What do you actually do with these links other than post them here? Do you maintain some "korea sucks" clipping service? |
Hey, someone's got to!
I once theorised that Real Reality was waging a one-man battle to rid the land of all his competition by slowly and methodically grinding down every other English teacher's morale, willpower and sense of self-worth. Each article, each link, another corrosive drop of acid on the soul... drip, sizzle....drip, sizzle....drip, sizzle.....drip, sizzle.....
But that's not the case, as his agenda is much wider that "woe is us English teachers". It's "woe is us foreigners in Korea" and "woe is us men", too. Reading too many of his threads in one sitting will make you want to change careers, leave Korea and get a sex change.
I mean, assuming you're a male teacher in Korea. |
I think in general, us foreign males are quite territorial. We do like to think we're the only ones to have discovered this nation and we get pretty pissed off to find out we're not the only white male in Korea. "Crap, you saying I'm not the only whitey in Korea? Crap, you saying I'm not the only whitey in Seoul? Crap, you saying I'm not he only whitey in Nowon? Crap, you saying I'm not the only whitey in my dong? Crap, you saying I'm not the only white on my street? Crap, you saying I'm not the only whitey in my apartment building? Well, at least I'm the only whitey on my floor! Oh christ, some guy from Texas moved in next door! There goes the neighborhood!" |
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