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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: dealing with the inevitable. Reply with quote

A day after my momentous victory, I got a somber phone call from a
friend of mine.
Before I ask my question, I'll give you some background.

He is an old high school chum of mine who decided to get himself assigned in Korea in the Marine Corp (I met up with him last night after not contacting each other in almost 15 years~ we exchanged numbers and parted ways). Anyway, he called to tell me that he was thinking of divorcing his wife.
They both met each other when he was in Okinawa (she is Korean) and hastily married after only a month of knowing each other. Unfortunately, he went to Iraq and she had to come back to Korea to be with her family. They barely had a week of being together when he got his marching orders.
They kept on constant contact through email and phone calls (the miracle of MWR moral calls). When he left Iraq (in one piece- thank god!) he put in for USNF-K (A joint Marine-Navy task force assigned in Korea- He's a Captain and could put in for stuff like that) and reunited with his wife.
According to him, its been 6 months and has been nothing but pain and anguish for him. She is always on base with the other ajummas and spends no time with him, except to ask for money to play the slot machines at the Main Post Club. They also live in a crap apartment because she apparently squandered the key money on a wardrobe that she barely wears and going out clubbing in the clubs in Kangnam and Apkujong (the key money came from the Hazardous duty pay he got from Iraq).
To top it all off, he got a call a few nights ago from a Korean man who spoke perfect English, telling him that she was leaving him. When confronted with it, she just said it was some guy she and her friends got "booked" with while at a club in Kangnam (and one of the nights she disappeared without calling him) and not to worry about it.
And to think that things couldn't get any worse.....he found out that she was even working as an "escort" for foreign businessmen coming to Korea.

In my heart, I would say "don't even waste your time even thinking about it". But he truly loves her and wants to make it work out. So, I don't know what to say to him except "Follow your heart" Confused

Now my question is; What would you say to a friend in this situation?

I know there are alot of "lifers" and "old tymers" who might have some wisdom to pass on about this subject. I hope you can give me some advice on how to approach this because I'm suppose to meet him on wednesday to talk about this and I would like to be armed with some tid-bits of advice to give him.
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mercury



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Pusan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are there any children? This is very important!

Actually, it looks as if things are out of control. I was taught to never recommend divorce, just because most people divorce, and then marry someone just like their ex, and then get into the exact same situation with the new spouse.

It would be good to recommend a certified counselor!

If you want to just see what the problem is, there is a free assessment he can take online, and after the test he can choose options about counseling.


http://www.relatebetter.com/questionnaire.htm
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sticky situation.

There are two situations where people ask for advice: one, they want someone else to tell them what to do so they can blame that person; or they want someone to agree with the decision they have already made. The best advice you can give him is to give no advice at all. Listen to him and ask questions about how he feels. Keep your opinion out of it because it isn't your situation. Where you can, help him clarify his thinking.

The way you present the story, the answer is clear what you think. It is probably also clear what he thinks since you got the story from your friend. Help him see what he told you. His feelings are getting in his way. (It sounds like to me.)

Good luck to your friend in a sad situation.
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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's difficult to see things clearly when you're inside a bad relationship sometimes. I've been there myself; it was only after the fact that I realised what an unhealthy situation I was in, and that my friends were right to try and caution me.

He may not be listening to reason for now, so just be there for him when he comes through it.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it creepy that an acquaintance shares his obviously confidential woes with you & you turn around & blare them on a public discussion board.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I find it creepy that an acquaintance shares his obviously confidential woes with you & you turn around & blare them on a public discussion board.



Not really- I'm NOT mentioning any exact names that might make the person feel ashamed.

Besides, have you ever been in a situation where you didn't know what to say nor do? Sometimes the best person to ask for advice is someone outside the circle of friends or acquaintances.

I have found that the best person to ask is someone who is oblivious of the situation who is objective and unbiased.

And since it is a situation that some might identify with, they can give the best advice on how to handle it and possibly what to say- which in this case, is nothing at all.

Yeah, I have found that giving an opinion about a matter such as this is like walking a tight rope between giving good advice and being blamed for destroying something that might be salvaged.

I'm not trying to ruin anyone's life, I'm trying to be the original "devil's advocate" and create meanful discussion.
Why else is my name "Lastat"?
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'... married after one month...'

That kind of says it all.

Sounds like a real horror story. The only thing missing is her parents asking for money. Got to throw that one in there.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As equus says: married after 1 month, separated constantly thereafter= disaster.
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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According to him, its been 6 months and has been nothing but pain and anguish for him. She is always on base with the other ajummas and spends no time with him, except to ask for money to play the slot machines at the Main Post Club. They also live in a crap apartment because she apparently squandered the key money on a wardrobe that she barely wears and going out clubbing in the clubs in Kangnam and Apkujong (the key money came from the Hazardous duty pay he got from Iraq).
To top it all off, he got a call a few nights ago from a Korean man who spoke perfect English, telling him that she was leaving him. When confronted with it, she just said it was some guy she and her friends got "booked" with while at a club in Kangnam (and one of the nights she disappeared without calling him) and not to worry about it.
And to think that things couldn't get any worse.....he found out that she was even working as an "escort" for foreign businessmen coming to Korea.



Here's my 2 cents: If even a little bit of this is true, it's time for him to cut his losses and get out before it gets really stupid. I'm married to a servicemember and I saw this all the time Korea: clueless, naive male taken to the cleaners by rapacious (insert nantionality) female who's good at pouting manipulation when confronted with her fiscal stupidity and weekend absences. Rapaciousness or clueless naivete is not exclusive to any 1 nationality or gender. But this is very obviously a woman who's not interested in him, it's someone who's interested in the $, the newfound freedom to do what she wants without any obligation to her husband (moral of financial), and probably the prospect of going to the big PX in the US, have a kid or two, and then really hose him for child support $ as per the law (the usual end result to these kinds of stories).

And he really wasn't that bright either to marry someone after 1 month and expect it to be ok--deployed or not. He's in love with what he sees, not who she is... because I think that's become quite clear lately. Or is he a masochist?

Ask your friend if he honestly thinks his wife's actions are those of someone who truly cares about him as a person or them as a married unit.


Sheesh.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dump her quickly, very quickly. Or at the very least, cheat a lot.
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat, I sympathyze for your friend because he represents the naive understanding of some Western men, especially those who are soldiers, to Korean culture and women. Bottom line is, the "married in one month" scenario does say a lot. But maybe not all of it.

Korean women are easy to fall in love with. They're personal, sensual, fast and wanton. It usually has to do with money too(this is just my opinion.)

They probably don't understand each other, however, and it sounds like he's being used. Thing is, I'd tell your friend TO LOOK FOR GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE. Marriage unfaithfulness, which it sounds she's committed, is the number one grounds. Then, from a Christian perspective, he's done nothing wrong. She could be something other than he realizes.

If he still loves her, or thinks he does, there's nothing you can do.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is he legally married in Korea? He should get proof of his wifes activities, and book her at the police station. It can be done in Korea.


He should leave her. What the hell was he thinking during these past 6 months?
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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
Is he legally married in Korea? He should get proof of his wifes activities, and book her at the police station. It can be done in Korea.


He should leave her. What the hell was he thinking during these past 6 months?


A foreigner press charges against a Korean wife? H better get some darn good evidence. And then....Maybe
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Women hey? You really expect better from these trollops?
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one's a no-brainer.
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