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KiteOperations
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the origin of Wie family in Korea is known as a Chinese immigrant who was an envoy from Tang to Shilla about 1,400 years ago. |
If Koreans can claim royal blood from that far away, then I might just go to France to reclaim the family domaine (yes, Holly has blue blood). Just call me Count Hollywood de la Action. |
why not? Count Holly.
let me tell you about this.
one of the Korean LEe family lines is actually dscended from the Vietnamese royal Ly family. nearly 800 years ago, the Ly dynasty was ending and being replaced with the Tran dynasty. the Tran dynasty ordered all those who had the Ly surname from the Ly royal dynasty to change their name to Nguyen. if they did not, they were killed. the last prince Ly Long Tuong, in order to preserve the Ly family line, fled on boat with several hundreds of his followers northward towards China. he some how went off course and ended up in Korea where his descendants are living today. the Korean king granted this name 'Lee of Hwasan' and some estates to Ly. Hwasan is the place where the prince Ly reached first by boat. 'Lee of Hwasan' family is very rare in Korean population. anyway, this Korean guy who is the descendant of the prince Ly was invited at the foundation day of Vietnam few yrs back as an official VIP guest. im told he is doing some business in Vietnam now. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| KiteOperations wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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the origin of Wie family in Korea is known as a Chinese immigrant who was an envoy from Tang to Shilla about 1,400 years ago. |
If Koreans can claim royal blood from that far away, then I might just go to France to reclaim the family domaine (yes, Holly has blue blood). Just call me Count Hollywood de la Action. |
why not? Count Holly.
let me tell you about this.
one of the Korean LEe family lines is actually dscended from the Vietnamese royal Ly family. nearly 800 years ago, the Ly dynasty was ending and being replaced with the Tran dynasty. the Tran dynasty ordered all those who had the Ly surname from the Ly royal dynasty to change their name to Nguyen. if they did not, they were killed. the last prince Ly Long Tuong, in order to preserve the Ly family line, fled on boat with several hundreds of his followers northward towards China. he some how went off course and ended up in Korea where his descendants are living today. the Korean king granted this name 'Lee of Hwasan' and some estates to Ly. Hwasan is the place where the prince Ly reached first by boat. 'Lee of Hwasan' family is very rare in Korean population. anyway, this Korean guy who is the descendant of the prince Ly was invited at the foundation day of Vietnam few yrs back as an official VIP guest. im told he is doing some business in Vietnam now. |
Aren't Korea and Vietnam republics? Am I the only one who gets the irony? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| KiteOperations wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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the origin of Wie family in Korea is known as a Chinese immigrant who was an envoy from Tang to Shilla about 1,400 years ago. |
If Koreans can claim royal blood from that far away, then I might just go to France to reclaim the family domaine (yes, Holly has blue blood). Just call me Count Hollywood de la Action. |
why not? Count Holly.
let me tell you about this.
one of the Korean LEe family lines is actually dscended from the Vietnamese royal Ly family. nearly 800 years ago, the Ly dynasty was ending and being replaced with the Tran dynasty. the Tran dynasty ordered all those who had the Ly surname from the Ly royal dynasty to change their name to Nguyen. if they did not, they were killed. the last prince Ly Long Tuong, in order to preserve the Ly family line, fled on boat with several hundreds of his followers northward towards China. he some how went off course and ended up in Korea where his descendants are living today. the Korean king granted this name 'Lee of Hwasan' and some estates to Ly. Hwasan is the place where the prince Ly reached first by boat. 'Lee of Hwasan' family is very rare in Korean population. anyway, this Korean guy who is the descendant of the prince Ly was invited at the foundation day of Vietnam few yrs back as an official VIP guest. im told he is doing some business in Vietnam now. |
Aren't Korea and Vietnam republics? Am I the only one who gets the irony? Koreans remind me of Canadians in this sense. We finally got rid of the monarchy over 20 years ago, and the ugly duckling still appears on our currency. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:28 am Post subject: |
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gwangjuboy, in fact they don't need to make stuff up cause Korean female golfers are actually big favorites to win in LPGA. it IS quite phenomenon these days. i cant see any bit of nationalism involved in this article. so of course the small one is to be yourself who think Korea should be small in your limited knowledge. and ive to say its funny to see how you displayed your paranoia after some bar experience here on another thread. ha. gwangjunaiveboy.
some tidbits.
there are 25 KOrean women holding Korean citizenship in LPGA, 15 of them are the winning champions.
michelle speaks Korean.
her mom is former Miss Korea.
the origin of Wie family in Korea is known as a Chinese immigrant who was an envoy from Tang to Shilla about 1,400 years ago. |
Only one Wei ever came to Korea? None ever came after that? None?!
Isn't this a little like saying the Tangun myth is real, at least as far as the logic goes? A Wei came; no others followed.  Also kinda messes up that whole pure blood issue a bit more... Then there was my student in Seoul long ago whose grandfather was Russian... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: |
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I met a guy a few years ago who said he was descended from Confucius. I asked if that meant he is Chinese-Korean. He said, "No. 100% Korean." I said, "Hmmmm. I see."
It goes a long way in explaining how Alexander Graham Bell is Canadian. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| gwangjuboy, in fact they don't need to make stuff up cause Korean female golfers are actually big favorites to win in LPGA. |
So why did the writer of that article claim Wie is Korean when she isn't?
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| it IS quite phenomenon these days. i cant see any bit of nationalism involved in this article. |
The reporter lied about the nationality of a very able golfer.
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| so of course the small one is to be yourself who think Korea should be small in your limited knowledge. |
What?
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| and ive to say its funny to see how you displayed your paranoia after some bar experience here on another thread. ha. gwangjunaiveboy. |
What are you talking about? Please don't suggest that you want the gloves to come off here.
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| there are 25 KOrean women holding Korean citizenship in LPGA, 15 of them are the winning champions. |
This strawman is burning.
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michelle speaks Korean.
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So do I. Am I Korean? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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I don't think the article was that bad. However, this sort of practice is very common here. Ever notice how Sarah Chang is shown in those national anthem videos the networks show when they go off the air? She was born in Philly and educated at Juilliard. I always liked the part of that video which portrays two foreigners oohing and ahing over one of those "Korean inventions" at one of the palaces. But things have improved here since I first came. When I used to ask students to name 3 great inventions, I always heard Hangul, that rain measuring thing, and something else. These days if they I ask that question I usually get stuff like, cell phones, the Internet, the computer, etc.
On a nationalistic note though, see my "museum carving" thread. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Can you imagine papers in the UK refering to George Bush as English? |
No, but I CAN imagine Bigverne saying that the guys who founded The United States were Englishmen, even though not a one of them were born or breathed a breath of air on that island. I can imagine it easily because I saw it happen here recently.
Made me laugh for hours ... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Except for Igotthisguitar's observation that she is rather tasty (which I neither agree nor disagree with, by the way) and Jongno Guru's warning that she is still jailbait and we should neither agree nor disagree with that statement (which, I don't, by the way), what a useless thread this is...
I can't imagine a more pointless, boring combination than sports and nationalism. I mean, it's not like it's war, right?
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/sierra/soccer1969.htm |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| In regards to the Wie-Korean thing; I hate it when Tiger Woods is called a black golfer. I mean he's half Thai right? |
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KiteOperations
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Aren't Korea and Vietnam republics? Am I the only one who gets the irony? Koreans remind me of Canadians in this sense. We finally got rid of the monarchy over 20 years ago, and the ugly duckling still appears on our currency. |
I cant wait to see Camilla on your currency soon. lol.
anyway, i think this prince story is a symbol representing the ole good relationship of Korea and Vietnam once in the past and that's why Vietnamese government welcomes this Korean family who are the descendants of Ly that much, considering Korea is now the 3rd largest investor in Vietnam. i'm not that knowledgeable about Vietnam, but it seems the vietnamese have a special sentiment in regard of their first-long lasting-native-sovereign Ly dynasty. i've heard their prime minister visit the shrine of Ly dynasty every year.
well, you can't actually claim your blueblood from that far away.
and yes, korea is republic. |
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KiteOperations
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Only one Wei ever came to Korea? None ever came after that? None?! Isn't this a little like saying the Tangun myth is real, at least as far as the logic goes? A Wei came; no others followed. Also kinda messes up that whole pure blood issue a bit more... Then there was my student in Seoul long ago whose grandfather was Russian... |
Sorry, what are you talking about? Tangun Myth?
Anyway, I looked up more about Wie, I've found out there were actually few more Wie lines. Wie(徫), Wie(��),Wie(��), Wie(��) etc. yeah, seems not only one Wie ever came to Korea. however, only this Wie(��) has carried on their family line and the other Wie lines all died out. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| In regards to the Wie-Korean thing; I hate it when Tiger Woods is called a black golfer. I mean he's half Thai right? |
Americans are still guided by the "one drop of blood" rule. You will always be "black" as long as you have one drop of black blood. |
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KiteOperations
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| So why did the writer of that article claim Wie is Korean when she isn't? |
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| The reporter lied about the nationality of a very able golfer. |
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michelle speaks Korean.
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So do I. Am I Korean? |
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Your friggin parents are Korean adjoshi & ajumma either?
No matter what Michelle's passport is, she is Korean. and also American citizen, of course. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| No matter what Michelle's passport is, she is Korean. and also American citizen, of course. |
Just like Robert Kim, eh? |
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