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mithridates
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 Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: Konglish in the Washington Post? |
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Am I imagining things?
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| Last month, White House political strategist Karl Rove flew to Bismarck to implore the North Dakota's popular Republican governor, John Hoeven, to challenge Sen. Kent Conrad (D). Rove could argue with some compelling numbers: Bush won 63 percent of the state's presidential votes last year, and Hoeven trounced his Democratic opponents in 2000 and 2004. But the governor said no thanks, and Republicans concede they have no strong second choice. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: |
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When 'the' comes before a geographical term, it means it is a region: 'the Ukraine' got changed to 'Ukraine' when it gained independence. It seems that North Dakota has lost its statehood, which will be a shock to many. It also means Karl wasted his time going to Bismarck. ND won't have any senators next time. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| All it means is that a copy editor was written up or reassigned to the obituaries. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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When 'the' comes before a geographical term, it means it is a region... |
The United States? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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When 'the' comes before a geographical term, it means it is a region: 'the Ukraine' got changed to 'Ukraine' when it gained independence. It seems that North Dakota has lost its statehood, which will be a shock to many. It also means Karl wasted his time going to Bismarck. ND won't have any senators next time. |
The "the" in "the Ukraine" was actually an intended slight by the Russian Soviets. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Guys, guys, guys. 
(1) The governor! (but used this way: "the Johnson's car"). The "the" assumes familiarity.
(2) The United States of America (the _____ of ______).
There's no issue of Konglish here. The determiner is unnecessary and stylistically poor (as is the writing of many native English speakers some of the time), not incorrect in the way Koreans misapply the definite article. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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The "the" in "the Ukraine" was actually an intended slight by the Russian Soviets.
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The slight being to deny Ukraine its identity as a separate state. Accurate at the time.
The United States, The United Kingdom, The Philippines and The Netherlands. No other countries require 'the'. Them's the rules. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Gee, I'm impressed. Don't these arguments about grammar usually take place in the General, or Job-rrelated Forums?
Guess, we're coming up in the word, then ... |
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