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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| I have fired a live round over the heads of 2 illegal immigrants. No Kidding. I was a border guard once. |
Where were you a border guard where your rules of engagment allowed for warning shots? |
It was in Zimbabwe, along the Mozambique border, in 1992. I say "border guard" although strictly speaking I wasn't one:- i was an assistant game ranger in a game reserve that ran along the border. We had an agreement to try and apprehend illegal border crossers and escort them to the border patrol unit which was based on the top of a hill not far off. failing that, we would radio the guards and tell them: description, location, direction.
Our powers were limited- although I had a G3 rifle and the occasional use of a 4-wheel drive, i encountered my 2 border jumpers while on foot. It was a fairly rare occurence, as the patrol normally did a good job of catching them with dogs and proper surveillance of the mined no mans land that they had to cross. They were invariably poor people, smugglers of basic goods to trade from mozambique- that were usually caught, searched, relieved of any items, sometimes even given a beating and repatriated. There was no shoot to kill policy, unless they were armed or dangerous / threatening- which had not been the case uptil then, although I believe 2 had been shot already accidentally. We couldn't shoot people unless in real danger, likewise animals. However we did shoot some game occasionally as culling and sold the meat, or shoot occasionally stray dogs in the reserve, as there had been incidences of rabies and them harrassing animals.
I sighted 2 guys in civilian clothes scaling the fence about 50 yards off and yelled at them to stop- whereupon they immediately fled back into the bush really fast, straight into an area of thorny acacia. Not sure why, but i fired over their heads in the heat of the moment, as it was quite unexpected, startling, and they were the first i'd ever encountered.And i hadn't had time to see if they had guns or not. Of course if they'd been armed i could have shot them. but that was quite unlikely.
Oh, i found a couple links about that border area.
http://www.sokwanele.com/articles/justice/army/mozambicantradersallegeharrassment_4feb2004.html
http://zimobserver.com/newsdetail.asp?article_id=104
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: |
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They were absolutely appalled that I said you should shoot someone for breaking into your house. After I realized they were appalled at that, I went a step further and told them that you should shoot people for walking through your yard and drag them into the house to avoid prosecution, since I realized that is what they wanted to hear.
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You are missing the point, you are supposed to fire a shot into the roof after you shoot them, so legally you can say you gave them a warning shot. Plus, they were worried that you might want to visit them someday and their kids walk around their house at night.  |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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They were absolutely appalled that I said you should shoot someone for breaking into your house. After I realized they were appalled at that, I went a step further and told them that you should shoot people for walking through your yard and drag them into the house to avoid prosecution, since I realized that is what they wanted to hear.
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You are missing the point, you are supposed to fire a shot into the roof after you shoot them, so legally you can say you gave them a warning shot. Plus, they were worried that you might want to visit them someday and their kids walk around their house at night. |
True. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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TY for the replies. The issue I was concerned with is larger scale. the nation of Malta for example has more illegal immigrants than military members (according to the BBC). The nation is literally over run with illegal immigrants. We could say Malta has been invaded and conquered and it seems Malta can do nothing as long as people lives or safety is at stake.
Is that the rule now? Civilian invasions are permissable and a valid form of conquest? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Is that the rule now? Civilian invasions are permissable and a valid form of conquest? |
That's how Gandhi, bloody racist that he was, did it with Goa. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| The United States does not permit the use of cocaine. People still use it. |
That's a given isn't it? What's more is how they don't officially permit the importation & trafficking of many outlawed "drugs" either.
Still, elements within gov't ranks have done it covertly for years.
Whether it's the trafficking of humans, drugs, guns (you name it) if it helps to promote their political agenda, you can bet that, aside for the odd token bust, they'll turn a blind eye & keep the border flood gates thrown wide open. |
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