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PEIGUY
Joined: 28 Mar 2004
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Bulsajo
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| "We have a policy of transparency," he said. "If we are made aware of situations we always investigate ... Obviously if we aren't made aware, we are unable to investigate." |
FWIW, that was the response to the question "Would the police be investigating this incident if it hadn't been videotaped?" The article doesn't make that clear.
Anyone remember when the MUC police sniper shot to death an innocent man? That must be from around 12 years ago or so. They thought they had cornered a dangerous armed criminal but it turned out they didn't properly ID the guy before giving the go-ahead to shoot- innocent man shot in the back of the head while sitting in his own parked car...
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On the other hand
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Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone remember when the MUC police sniper shot to death an innocent man? That must be from around 12 years ago or so. They thought they had cornered a dangerous armed criminal but it turned out they didn't properly ID the guy before giving the go-ahead to shoot- innocent man shot in the back of the head while sitting in his own parked car...
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I also recall the SQ barging into the wrong motel room, and shooting a guy they thought was a bank robber but who turned out to be a carpet salesman or something. Mid-80s some time. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Wow ... i'm shocked to discover police from time to time beat defenseless people. Punching, kicking, slapping, beating & macing? Did i miss something here? Shooting dead?
Hmmmmm ... if the world were to engage in a cam-corder jihad, i wonder if their "bad boy" behavior would improve?
Certainly a few more cases like these would hopefully be prosecuted, rather than letting these steroid freaks simply slither, wriggle & lie their way out of any accountability. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| I for one wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the police in Canada. Some are thugs and I've even seen them beating on a native just for fun in Winnipeg. I pulled into the alley and sounded my horn until they stopped. There have been other times when I've seen other acts that I only thought existed in S.Africa 20 years ago. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| supernick wrote: |
| I for one wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the police in Canada. Some are thugs and I've even seen them beating on a native just for fun in Winnipeg. I pulled into the alley and sounded my horn until they stopped. There have been other times when I've seen other acts that I only thought existed in S.Africa 20 years ago. |
I've heard bad things about the SQ, and I remember being followed around by a TO police officer at a rally in front of Queen's Park 20 years ago, he looked like he was waiting for something to break out as an excuse to jump me.
But Down East I don't think I've ever heard of something like that happening. One way or another the cop and the alleged perp are likely to be related somehow.  |
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mindmetoo
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| I also recall the SQ barging into the wrong motel room, and shooting a guy they thought was a bank robber but who turned out to be a carpet salesman or something. Mid-80s some time. |
Wow I was just about to post the same comment. Yeah the Sûreté du Québec were known for being trigger happy. Basically they didn't even give the "bank robbers" a chance to surrender. They kicked the door open and machine gunned two men sleeping on the bed. Yeah turned out they were some house painters or carpet layers. Very blue collar types.
When the Oka golf course stand off started, the SQ originally were the ones called in. It looked for a moment like it was going to be a genocide. The SQ were going to go in and machine gun everything that moved. Luckily the Federal government let the army take over. A SQ guy has to spend two nights sleeping in a ditch and no Mae West or Pepsi and he's more than happy to shoot Indian women and children.
The finest moment in Quebec policing, and I don't mean that sarcastically, was when the crazed soldier (I think his name was Deny Lortie) opened up a sterling SMG on the salon bleu. All the surviving MNA ran out and managed to lock him in the salon bleu. The security camera footage was priceless. The guy sat on the speaker's chair and occasionally shot off rounds to stave off boredom. The SQ had the whole building locked down. Snipers, road blocks. And then they're like "WTF do we do?" This wasn't some indian with a squirrel rifle or a couple sleeping carpet layers you can just machine gun in their sleep. This was a soldier with an SMG.
The day wears on and it's getting around dinner time and the National Assembly's Sargent at Arms (the guy ultimately responsible for security in the legislature) just wanted to go the hell home, have some poutine, and watch hoggy. So, he strolls into the salon bleu, unarmed. He's got his rain coat neatly folded over one arm and a cigarette hanging from his mouth. Now the guy himself had been a drill Sargent or something in the Canadian army. So he pulls rank on Lortie. He orders him to stand at attention, shoulder his weapon, and follow him out.
And Lortie did exactly that.
It was the most ballsy thing you're ever likely to see in the history of policing in North America. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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I had a friend who once told me how he went to the states on an exercise for the military to learn how to use the laser scope when it was new. He was on a roof lying next to a Police sniper above a bank that was being robbed. Three robbers ran out of the building, No warning that the police were there, no stop or I will shoot. pop,pop,pop. The sniper turned to him and said.
"Well it works good, doesn't it". It stuck in his mind, I wasn't there and yet what he said, that stuck in my mind too. Yes, violence comes in many form.
I have seen a Uni student in Oz at my Uni with a bashed in face, seems he got too drunk and hit a female police officer. Upon arrest, he had the bad luck to miss the door of the paddy wagon a few times and hit the sides with his face. He was black and blue. Really. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| I'd trust the LAPD before the SQ |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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So this woman tries to run down a cop, or at least smash into their car... flee the scene, smash in to more cars endangering inocents (a little kid was in one of the cars that was hit) ... and you all are worried about HER safety?
Seriously, she was a danger to the public and needed to be taken off the street before more people were potentially hurt. The fact that she got tossed around barely rates on my gauge.
She was the one who chose that course of action. She had the freedom to stop at any time. She didn't need to continue commiting crimes. She is responsible. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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So this woman tries to run down a cop, or at least smash into their car... flee the scene, smash in to more cars endangering inocents (a little kid was in one of the cars that was hit) ... and you all are worried about HER safety?
Seriously, she was a danger to the public and needed to be taken off the street before more people were potentially hurt. The fact that she got tossed around barely rates on my gauge.
She was the one who chose that course of action. She had the freedom to stop at any time. She didn't need to continue commiting crimes. She is responsible. |
Good point. However, they could have maced her, they didn't need to bang her around before putting her in the car. Especially if she had cuffs on her at that point. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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When the Oka golf course stand off started, the SQ originally were the ones called in. It looked for a moment like it was going to be a genocide. The SQ were going to go in and machine gun everything that moved. Luckily the Federal government let the army take over. A SQ guy has to spend two nights sleeping in a ditch and no Mae West or Pepsi and he's more than happy to shoot Indian women and children. |
I'm no fan of the SQ, but an SQ officer was shot to death (the only fatality of the incident). |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
So this woman tries to run down a cop, or at least smash into their car... flee the scene, smash in to more cars endangering inocents (a little kid was in one of the cars that was hit) ... and you all are worried about HER safety?
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Elbowed in the back of the head, face smashed into a car door, and whipped with a baton- while in handcuffs? Any cop watching that will tell you something's not right. A prisoner in custody is a prisoner in custody and police are trained how to handle prisoners in custody. At the very least this was unprofessional conduct. |
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winnie
Joined: 08 May 2005
Location: the forest
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I also recall the SQ barging into the wrong motel room, and shooting a guy they thought was a bank robber but who turned out to be a carpet salesman or something. Mid-80s some time. |
Wow I was just about to post the same comment. Yeah the Sûreté du Québec were known for being trigger happy. Basically they didn't even give the "bank robbers" a chance to surrender. They kicked the door open and machine gunned two men sleeping on the bed. Yeah turned out they were some house painters or carpet layers. Very blue collar types.
When the Oka golf course stand off started, the SQ originally were the ones called in. It looked for a moment like it was going to be a genocide. The SQ were going to go in and machine gun everything that moved. Luckily the Federal government let the army take over. A SQ guy has to spend two nights sleeping in a ditch and no Mae West or Pepsi and he's more than happy to shoot Indian women and children.
The finest moment in Quebec policing, and I don't mean that sarcastically, was when the crazed soldier (I think his name was Deny Lortie) opened up a sterling SMG on the salon bleu. All the surviving MNA ran out and managed to lock him in the salon bleu. The security camera footage was priceless. The guy sat on the speaker's chair and occasionally shot off rounds to stave off boredom. The SQ had the whole building locked down. Snipers, road blocks. And then they're like "WTF do we do?" This wasn't some indian with a squirrel rifle or a couple sleeping carpet layers you can just machine gun in their sleep. This was a soldier with an SMG.
The day wears on and it's getting around dinner time and the National Assembly's Sargent at Arms (the guy ultimately responsible for security in the legislature) just wanted to go the hell home, have some poutine, and watch hoggy. So, he strolls into the salon bleu, unarmed. He's got his rain coat neatly folded over one arm and a cigarette hanging from his mouth. Now the guy himself had been a drill Sargent or something in the Canadian army. So he pulls rank on Lortie. He orders him to stand at attention, shoulder his weapon, and follow him out.
And Lortie did exactly that.
It was the most ballsy thing you're ever likely to see in the history of policing in North America. |
FYI....it was about more than a golf course, more importantly, it was about land claim issues and the rights of aboriginals(not Indians). There were attempting to build a golf course over burial grounds as I recall...once again. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Yeah winnie it was about a golf course over a grave yard and the women of Kanhesetake (Oka) told the men not to engage the police or military. It was the women who tried to keep things calm and run the show but the police and others (to this day mostly unidentified) tried to get the protestors to fight the SQ and Army. It was typical Canadian Aboriginal racism. And the SQ were brutal at the very begining of the standoff. |
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