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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| It is. I've been there. It's 20 kindergarten kids throwing wooden blocks, smearing boogers on each other, and sticking their fingers up your butt every time you blink, all in a 10X15 room with no Korean co-teacher at 8:15a.m. |
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| If not believing in the Christian view of God is a sin, there are a $hitload of souls on their way to hell... |
It is a sin, because it is rebellion. God so loved the world that He gave up His only son that people could enter into Heaven. It's his plan for everyone to find salvation. However, because people want to make their own plan, then hell becomes populated. People want to make up their own salvation plans. Don't you think God would have a better plan than us?
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The way I see it, if God is there ('big if' is a huge understatement here), he won't mind you not believing in him if you've been a good person in your life. |
Hanson, there is none that are righteous and you are dead in sins. Without accepting Christ into your heart, you have no hope of eternal salvation. None. Christ had to come and set us free from our sins. God is a Holy Lord and cannot tolerate sin. He loves you and wants you to come and enjoy your reward of blessing in this life and in the next.
18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Well, damn, I'll get right on it. Can I wait until the football game is over? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:57 am Post subject: |
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I haven't read either of them. I personally think Stephen King has sold his soul and would never read his *beep*. As for Dante, I haven't read his books. Could it be that people see a similar thing?
Maybe Hell is actually real? |
Your posts show that you have the cultural influences of Dante and King, even if you have never read them.
As far as Stephen King selling his soul-you are familiar with his work-more so than Scripture, it seems! |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| As far as Stephen King selling his soul-you are familiar with his work-more so than Scripture, it seems! |
ha. I take it you don't like my take on scripture? This coming from the person declaring that Benny Hinn should kill himself?
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| Your posts show that you have the cultural influences of Dante and King, even if you have never read them. |
They both have probably seen hell. Dante with the Lord and King with Satan. Where do you think King comes up with his stuff?
I don't know what you believe, but God gives His people revelation from scripture and not culture. As a Christian, my task is to get the world out of me and not be influenced by it.
5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
"Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! It has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt of every foul spirit, a haunt of every foul and hateful bird; 3 for all nations have drunk the wine of her impure passion, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich with the wealth of her wantonness." 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; 5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| They both have probably seen hell. Dante with the Lord and King with Satan. Where do you think King comes up with his stuff? |
Your posts are usually pretty rational. This one is not. Engaging in commentary on material you have not read? Suggest you read, "The Stand" before using King to try to win an argument. In fact, King's material can generally be said to be about beating evil, not engaging in it. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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So what's it to be, Fiveeagles? Terran, Protoss, or Zerg? Heck, you started the thread and you've never really addressed the issue. Get with the program!  |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Definitely terran. I try to stay away from that game. Way too addictive!
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| Your posts are usually pretty rational. This one is not. Engaging in commentary on material you have not read? Suggest you read, "The Stand" before using King to try to win an argument. In fact, King's material can generally be said to be about beating evil, not engaging in it. |
True. However, good vs evil doesn't depict righteousness. Harry Potter has white witchcraft vs black witchcraft. Both are evil.
Ok, Ok, I will admit I have see previews of his stuff and from what I have seen, is dark. I think I might have read one of his books back in the day. I was only trying to give "man known as the man" a hard time. He hasn't been biting though.  |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe Hell is actually real?
It is. I've been there. It's 20 kindergarten kids throwing wooden blocks, smearing boogers on each other, and sticking their fingers up your butt every time you blink, all in a 10X15 room with no Korean co-teacher at 8:15a.m.
Muhahahahahaha  ....whaahhh...ahhhhhaaaaahhhh!  Hell on
Earth indeed... |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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Really religious people scare me. I was raised catholic/christian, but tossed it when it began to not make sense. Now I resent it for trying to control my life. There are just way to many inconsistancies with christianity for me to follow. According to some, if you don't go to their church you're hell-bound faster than you can say "save me jebus". It doesn't matter if you go to a church and follow a christian doctrine, you're not of their church so oh well, hope you died with marshmellows and some hershey's because you'll be making smores in hell.
Evangelicals to Catholics: You're nice, got some pretty churches, but you're still going to hell. You worship idols! (which is completely untrue, but they rarely bother with the facts)
So, I just got rid of the whole sha-bang. The way I brain it, if there's a god, he's got to have a sense of humor. You don't stick humanity on this rock in the middle of no where and not have one.
Faith is one thing, fact is another. One can have all kinds of faith in god, the bible, jesus and all that, but the simple fact is, no one was there at the start of it all. No one knows anymore than anyone else on the subject, not really. And if they tell you they do, they're lying or deluded because it's impossible to know. All they have is a belief in something. I'm not saying it's not true, not trying to belittle the OP's faith, just saying I'm smart enough to know I have no idea. And I can't go around structuring my life and allowing it to be controlled by a book when I have no real evidence that the book is correct. Just doesn't work for me.
That being said, I'm pissed off I don't know what happens when I die. Part of me wishes I was dead just so I could get it over with. I'm not suicidal, don't worry, more just really really curious. Is it heaven or hell? Is it nothingness, or is it something so profound and unexplainable that humans can't even comprehend it enough to even get an idea. It really pisses me off that all the dead people get to know, but us live folks have to wait, though.
-S-
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Death from above!
My life for Auir!
For the Overmind.
Sacrifice me.
I'm on it. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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Who isn't religious? Everyone has a belief! 
Law of probabilities refutes evolution.
*The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable to the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.* ~ Sir Fred Hoyle, professor of astromony, Cambridge University.
What scares me is a society that has so much trust in evolution.
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| That being said, I'm pissed off I don't know what happens when I die. Part of me wishes I was dead just so I could get it over with. I'm not suicidal, don't worry, more just really really curious. Is it heaven or hell? Is it nothingness, or is it something so profound and unexplainable that humans can't even comprehend it enough to even get an idea. It really pisses me off that all the dead people get to know, but us live folks have to wait, though. |
27��Then he said, ��I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father��s house, 28��for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.�� 29��Abraham said to him, ��They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.�� 30��And he said, ��No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.�� 31��But he said to him, ��If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.�� ��
Luke 16
However, one doesn't have to wait to experience Heaven/Hell after death. It's experienced now. When someone accepts Christ into their lives, the begin to live in the heavenly realm right now. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Who isn't religious? Everyone has a belief!
Law of probabilities refutes evolution.
*The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable to the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.* ~ Sir Fred Hoyle, professor of astromony, Cambridge University.
What scares me is a society that has so much trust in evolution.
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| That being said, I'm pissed off I don't know what happens when I die. Part of me wishes I was dead just so I could get it over with. I'm not suicidal, don't worry, more just really really curious. Is it heaven or hell? Is it nothingness, or is it something so profound and unexplainable that humans can't even comprehend it enough to even get an idea. It really pisses me off that all the dead people get to know, but us live folks have to wait, though. |
27��Then he said, ��I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father��s house, 28��for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.�� 29��Abraham said to him, ��They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.�� 30��And he said, ��No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.�� 31��But he said to him, ��If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.�� ��
Luke 16
However, one doesn't have to wait to experience Heaven/Hell after death. It's experienced now. When someone accepts Christ into their lives, the begin to live in the heavenly realm right now. |
That scripture is a total cop-out. "If he doesn't believe me just because I say so, then too bad for him!" The whole of christianity is based on that.
It looks something like this:
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Christian:"I'll tell you all about it, then you'll believe."
Nonbeliever: "Okay, that sounds great. Can I actually see God? Or how about an angel, angels are cool!"
Christian: "Well no, that's not how it works. You don't actually get to see God, or the angels or...anything at all for that matter, you just have to believe based on this book here and what I say. It's called Faith"
Nonbeliever: "But...if I can't see proof, how do I know it's real?"
Christian: "Because I say so."
Nonbeliever: "Yeah, but how do you know?"
Christian: "Because I read the Bible, it's all in here."
Nonbeliever: "Who wrote the Bible?"
Christians: "Men of god, just like me. God told them to write it."
Nonbeliever: "A god you can't prove exists?"
Christian: "I don't need to prove it, I have faith!" |
If someone came to you asking you to invest all your money or everything you own in something that was not proven to work. Had no evidence whatsoever it would work, except for a few testimonials from people that have been dead for 2000 years, would you do it? Would you chuck it all and say 'Okay! Where do I sign!"
No, of course you wouldn't.
Evolution is quantifiable. You can mesaure it. It holds up a lot more under the microscope than the intelligent design theory. You can actually chart evolution, you can map it out, it holds up to the scientific method. They look at an animal and they form the hypothosis. "I think this came from some sort of swimming creature." And then they either will or won't find a fossil record that will support that hypothosis. Intelligent design can claim no such glory. The entire argument for intelligent design is simply "The bible says it." That's why it shouldn't be taught in schools, atleast not in science class. It's not science, it doesn't hold up to the scientific method, the cornerstone for just about all our knowledge. Would you demand that you teach drawing flowers and trees with crayons in math class AS math? Or how about pottery in reading? If you want to teach intelligent design, set aside a proper class for it. Religious Theory or something. Not in science.
It's easy for you to say God created all, but can you show me? Saying "I have faith that he did" doesn't make it true. It's always seemed kind of silly to me that christians (or people of any religion for that matter) ask people, again and again, to belive, to change their entire way of life, over something that can't be proven.
As far as quoting scripture to make your point, that's useless. You're asking me to take your word for it based on what a book says that I place no belief in. I think there are some good moral stories in there and a lot of good could come if more people endeavored to live like some of the poeple in the Bible, but I don't take that as evidence of God, the Devil or heaven. I have the same problem with my sister. She tries atleast four times a year to get me to convert and it simply won't work. For the same reason it won't work now. All your evidence is from the bible. You can't quote an outside source to back up your claims, and the Bible is highly suspect in and of itself.
If God comes out of the sky and points me to a church then I'll go. I figure it's the least he could do. Offer up some proof, some direction, if he wants my soul.
As far as my belief, I believe that I don't know. I'm too logical to commit myself to something intangible. Could there be a god? Absolutely. Could there just as easily be nothing? Absolutely. I'll find out one way or another after I die. Until then I'll just wait impatiently.
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| However, one doesn't have to wait to experience Heaven/Hell after death. It's experienced now. When someone accepts Christ into their lives, the begin to live in the heavenly realm right now. |
You had me at...er.. until the above. I accepted Christ. Now I couldn't give the least damn. Care to rephrase? |
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