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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: |
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And, incase anyone has any doubt about how far things have swung to the women's perspective here, look at any commerical or sit-com. Men are idiots. Mocking men and making them look like morons is big money now. Men are the bumbling fools. Without the woman, the man wouldn't even be able to make it to work. Men can't cook, men can't handle the kids, men can't even pick out the right paint brush to paint the house with if his wife isn't there to save him.
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There've been some interesting comments about this, folks, but I frankly think you're reading rather too much into it. I agree that adverts and sit-coms (not that I watch the latter - at least not American ones) mock men, but really, commercials and sit-coms? Who watches sit-coms - men or women? Who watches most TV - men or women? Who watches soap operas - men or women? It's all about making a few quid. The fact that women still watch this trivial garbage in this day and age is hardly a vindication for the equality of the sexes. If having a pop at men brings happiness to some bird's life sat in front of the TV for 4 hours per night, I'm happy for them. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| whoa, you can really tell some of the men who inhabit this place are real pigs. Korea, when it comes to women's rights, is backwards. |
HOw do you bear up under the wiehgt of The White Man's Burden? You're a modern Prometheus |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Here's why men are being lampooned: they are still percieved as the power players and so they are fair game for humourous attacks. |
I disagree with you. The powerful are rarely fair game for attacks, humorous or otherwise. |
then why is it funny if I call you a honky but racist if you call me a spic?
(kermo, badass post btw) |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| shakuhachi wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
| Here's why men are being lampooned: they are still percieved as the power players and so they are fair game for humourous attacks. |
I disagree with you. The powerful are rarely fair game for attacks, humorous or otherwise. |
then why is it funny if I call you a honky but racist if you call me a spic?
(kermo, badass post btw) |
Just wait for the neo-cons to leap in, miss the point, and alert us to the hypocrisy.
I don't watch sit-coms or soaps so hadn't noticed this 'bumbling men' phenomenon, but I did see an sit-com episode a few months back where the wife was going out to work because hubby was unemployed and he was obviously incompetent at home. The episode ended with his little daughter about to have a nasty accident with tinfoil in a microwave due. What moral are people likely to draw from this? It didn't seem to me so much 'let's laugh at how dumb men are' as 'this is an unnatural situation that puts children at risk: let's get back to traditional gender roles a.s.a.p'. I'm pretty sure that's how a conservative ajossi would interpret it anyway. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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and as for the military, even the US doesn't let women serve on the front lines (or something like that) so...  |
There are some very real reasons why women are not allowed on the front lines, although some jobs take them closer and closer these days.
But not the least of those reasons is simple physics. Women tend to be much smaller then men. Smaller bone structure, smaller muscle mass ect. Your average army grunt carries around 60 to 80 lbs, if not more, in equipment on his back. If a woman (with an average height of about 5' 7") weighing lets say...130 lbs, is asked to carry a pack that's more than half her body mass, she's going to have some difficulty. Now compare that to a man weighing 200+ lbs. It just wouldn't work. A group is only as strong as it's weakest member. If a woman is included on a front line detail and she slows the whole platoon down because she can't keep up, it puts everyone at risk. There's a lot more to the job than just shooting a gun.
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And, incase anyone has any doubt about how far things have swung to the women's perspective here, look at any commerical or sit-com. Men are idiots. Mocking men and making them look like morons is big money now. Men are the bumbling fools. Without the woman, the man wouldn't even be able to make it to work. Men can't cook, men can't handle the kids, men can't even pick out the right paint brush to paint the house with if his wife isn't there to save him.
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There've been some interesting comments about this, folks, but I frankly think you're reading rather too much into it. I agree that adverts and sit-coms (not that I watch the latter - at least not American ones) mock men, but really, commercials and sit-coms? Who watches sit-coms - men or women? Who watches most TV - men or women? Who watches soap operas - men or women? It's all about making a few quid. The fact that women still watch this trivial garbage in this day and age is hardly a vindication for the equality of the sexes. If having a pop at men brings happiness to some bird's life sat in front of the TV for 4 hours per night, I'm happy for them. |
To me, it's a symptom of a larger problem. It creates a sterotype that men can't be trusted or men can't handle basic situations. The mom's out shopping and the dad is at home with the kids and he can't even make frozen waffles. Mom's sick and the dad can't even get the kids dressed and off to school. The house is in chaos, the kids are wearing diapers on their heads and screaming and trying to sacrifice the dog to the garden knomes in the front yard and my god, someone get mom some Robitusson!
We aren't supposed to sterotype blacks, muslims, mexicans, asians or women, but no one says anything about the sterotyping of men. As a man, I find it deeply offensive. I cook better then most of the women I know, but i have to watch senario after senario of men who can't even boil water.
As someone else pointed out, if the situation were reversed, if we showed women to stupid to do 'anything' there would be a massive uprising. Letter campaigns and protests and flyers handed out at every supermarket to boycott whatever or whoever had the nerve to suggest that a woman could not do absolutely everything a man can do and do it better.
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anae
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: cowtown
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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There are some very real reasons why women are not allowed on the front lines, although some jobs take them closer and closer these days.
But not the least of those reasons is simple physics. Women tend to be much smaller then men. Smaller bone structure, smaller muscle mass ect. Your average army grunt carries around 60 to 80 lbs, if not more, in equipment on his back. If a woman (with an average height of about 5' 7") weighing lets say...130 lbs, is asked to carry a pack that's more than half her body mass, she's going to have some difficulty. Now compare that to a man weighing 200+ lbs. It just wouldn't work. A group is only as strong as it's weakest member. If a woman is included on a front line detail and she slows the whole platoon down because she can't keep up, it puts everyone at risk. There's a lot more to the job than just shooting a gun. |
Absolutely, if someone cannot do they job, they should not be there. Out of curiosity - if a man is 130 lbs, is he disqualified from combat? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely, if someone cannot do they job, they should not be there. Out of curiosity - if a man is 130 lbs, is he disqualified from combat? |
He would have been weeded out in Basic Training, I imagine. I'm not the expert on military procedure, but I can find out. Chances are he wouldn't be booted from the military altogether, he would just be assigned to something not so physically demanding.
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
| anae wrote: |
Absolutely, if someone cannot do they job, they should not be there. Out of curiosity - if a man is 130 lbs, is he disqualified from combat? |
He would have been weeded out in Basic Training, I imagine. I'm not the expert on military procedure, but I can find out. Chances are he wouldn't be booted from the military altogether, he would just be assigned to something not so physically demanding.
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it's not about equality...just equal opportunity. women are not as strong as men...even a guy my height and my weight would probably still be stronger than me. that's because..dudes are strong. i hate all this bullsh*t about the military and women. ask any korean man if he is happy about his lame, pointless, waste of a life that is joining the military for a couple years. i have never met ONE that liked it, thought it helped him, or would have not prefered to do something else with his life.
that said...i assume that just like there is a Chinese guy playing for the NBA, somewhere out there are women that are physical anomilies and are huge and 'strong like bull'. That they should be allowed to TRY out for the military, sports, whatever, I find acceptable. That they should lower tha bar to make a couple of whiny chicks happy that cannot understand biology and physics is not. |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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robitusson
Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Thailand
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Here's another interesting article while we're on the feminist backlash issue. "They (men) have more and more perfectly legitimate reasons for remaining unmarried every day.....What women perceive as a "fear of commitment" is really nothing more than a pragmatic assessment of the odds facing men in the prospect of a marriage".
http://www.mattweeks.com/strike.htm
So there you have it. |
I for one am terrified of getting married. And it has nothing to do with commitment. I'd love to have a wife/kids and all that. Maybe even a dog. However, one only has to see how men in the U.S. are treated in a divorce to be scared shi*less about the entire institution. I've watched my father become totally emasculated by his unholy demon bitc# of a wife. I read how women have trapped men into pregnancy now have to pay child support. How women have poked holes in condoms or went off the pill w/o telling their spouse and then sued for child support afterwords. Or how a woman cheated on her husband, got pregnant, and when the husband left, he had to pay child support for another mans child. How men are left with nothing after a divorce and most of their checks go to alimony. The list goes on and on.
I'm all for equal rights, but at some point common sense has to come in to the picture.
And, incase anyone has any doubt about how far things have swung to the women's perspective here, look at any commerical or sit-com. Men are idiots. Mocking men and making them look like morons is big money now. Men are the bumbling fools. Without the woman, the man wouldn't even be able to make it to work. Men can't cook, men can't handle the kids, men can't even pick out the right paint brush to paint the house with if his wife isn't there to save him.
Feminism has gone a little far in my opinion. A woman can make as much or more than me, that doesn't bother me at all. I'll change diapers, make bottles and do laundry and dishes or clean a bathroom with the best of them. But, the minute I see a commerical where a man has to call his girlfriend to come rescue him on the side of the road because he can't change a tire, I tend to lose it.
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Who's going to be the first to say it? Women have too much power in the west. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:20 am Post subject: |
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"I studied harder than the boys to prove that girls can do better in any arena," she said.... "But this is just the beginning. Women will be more active in every sector of society and we might need a Ministry for Men instead," she added.
Women Challenge Male-Dominant Society
Korea's Women Empowerment Ranks 54th Among 58 Nations
By Kim Cheong-won, Korea Times
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200510/kt2005101817271568040.htm
Men are not simply wallets to be looted. Nor are we all rapists and gorillas. We are complex and interesting humans who need respect and love, as do women. Pathetically, American women have been brainwashed into thinking that giving love and respecting men is somehow evil and wrong.
http://www.americanwomensuck.com/ |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Who's going to be the first to say it? Women have too much power in the west. |
Men are already suffering terrible and painful consequences (and their children, too).
http://www.nevadansforequalparenting.org/
http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/
This has been going on for a long time in Western Civ. See Foucalt's I Pierre Riviere... for a particularly poignant case and its violent consequences in ninteenth-century France.
Marry and impregnate a woman in the West at your own risk. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: |
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From the website Real Reality posted.
3) Angry - ALL the damn time about things which are so far out of their control as to be nonsensical--and constantly wanting to "discuss" this mind numbing drivel ad nauseam
Funny stuff. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:00 am Post subject: |
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To me, it's a symptom of a larger problem. It creates a sterotype that men can't be trusted or men can't handle basic situations. The mom's out shopping and the dad is at home with the kids and he can't even make frozen waffles. Mom's sick and the dad can't even get the kids dressed and off to school. The house is in chaos, the kids are wearing diapers on their heads and screaming and trying to sacrifice the dog to the garden knomes in the front yard and my god, someone get mom some Robitusson!
We aren't supposed to sterotype blacks, muslims, mexicans, asians or women, but no one says anything about the sterotyping of men. As a man, I find it deeply offensive. I cook better then most of the women I know, but i have to watch senario after senario of men who can't even boil water.
As someone else pointed out, if the situation were reversed, if we showed women to stupid to do 'anything' there would be a massive uprising. Letter campaigns and protests and flyers handed out at every supermarket to boycott whatever or whoever had the nerve to suggest that a woman could not do absolutely everything a man can do and do it better.
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You've made a strong case, sir.
As Billy Conolly (sp?) said, white heterosexual males are the only people on earth it's perfectly okay to discriminate against.
But you do realize we're raving misogynists who want to suck our mother's toes for raising these concerns, don't you? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: |
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It's been joked about several times since I first brought up moving to Korea that I would go over there and find a Korean wife. Even my mom made a crack about it. My friend who first turned me on to the idea lived and worked in Korea for several years and now has a korean girlfriend who lives here in the states. He went on and on about how great some korean women are, but I couldn't really see myself with a woman from a completely different culture.
I figured marriage or a long-term relationship is hard enough as it is without bringing in all that baggage that comes from a completely different background. But still, as all this talk comes up about american women, feminism, etc. it really makes me think that I should possibly look for a partner while I'm in Korea. It certianly wasn't in my plans, but who knows. God knows I'm terrified of marriage in this country.
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