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Ya-ta Boy
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 Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: Score: Canadians 62; Everyone else 10 |
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HOT OFF THE PRESSES! This was in this morning's Chosun Ilbo. It could have been posted in any one of 4 or 5 threads, but I think many are interested in the exact numbers, so I started a new thread.
Prosecutors Bust Dozens of Dodgy English Teachers
In an ongoing investigation of forged diplomas, prosecutors have busted some 70 people including unqualified English language instructors and the brokers who supplied their fake documents.
Southern Seoul prosecutors arrested a Korean-American identified as Kang on suspicion of brokering the jobs and an accomplice identified as Kim for forging certificates. They also booked two Canadians without detention. They are among approximately 70 people who have been deported or are currently in the protection of the Seoul Immigration Bureau.
Investigators said Kang conspired with a Canadian from his workplace to forge a diploma for another Canadian to procure an E-2 visa - issued for teaching English conversation -- from the Immigration Bureau. Kang continued to supply fake documents for an English institutes, charging between US$1,000-1,500 each for some 20 transactions. Kim, meanwhile, is suspected of fabricating eight degrees for $300 a piece by downloading emblems and logos from the University of Toronto in Canada, Arcadia University, UC San Diego in the U.S. and London Metropolitan University in the U.K. from their websites.
Canadians made up the bulk of the unqualified teachers (62) due to a visa exemption treaty that ensures a steady stream of travelers between the two countries. The others were four Australians, three Britons and three Americans. ��Starting next March, native foreign language instructors are to be sent to schools across the country, and Korea has had a bad reputation as a haven for unqualified English teachers,�� a prosecution source said. The large-scale bust ��will be a good deterrent to curb the influx of unqualified instructors."
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Does anyone understand what 'visa exemption treaty' means? |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Canadians made up the bulk of the unqualified teachers (62) due to a visa exemption treaty that ensures a steady stream of travelers between the two countries. The others were four Australians, three Britons and three Americans. ��Starting next March, native foreign language instructors are to be sent to schools across the country, and Korea has had a bad reputation as a haven for unqualified English teachers,�� a prosecution source said. The large-scale bust ��will be a good deterrent to curb the influx of unqualified instructors."
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Oh oh..I'm sure Derrek is privately gloating over this one. Yata-Boy, the visa exemption refers to the 6-month "tourist visas" (ie visa exemption) Canadians receive when visiting Korea. I see absolutely no connection between that and the amount of Canadians busted for fake degrees, but anyways....
EDIT: Here's a link: http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510190018.html
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peppermint
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| hmm, didn't make the online edition |
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Free World
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Canadians made up the bulk of the unqualified teachers (62) due to a visa exemption treaty that ensures a steady stream of travelers between the two countries. The others were four Australians, three Britons and three Americans. |
I know a quarter of the Aussies, a third of the Brits, but only 1/31st of the Canadians. Just for the record, not all of the people who were sent packing had fake degrees - at least half of the ones I know had a legit uni degree but a recruiter exaggerated their credentials. |
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bosintang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Canadians made up the bulk of the unqualified teachers (62) due to a visa exemption treaty that ensures a steady stream of travelers between the two countries. The others were four Australians, three Britons and three Americans. |
I know a quarter of the Aussies, a third of the Brits, but only 1/31st of the Canadians. Just for the record, not all of the people who were sent packing had fake degrees - at least half of the ones I know had a legit uni degree but a recruiter exaggerated their credentials. |
Haha, maybe that's what they told you. I don't think immigration would have gave them forced deportation for exaggerating their credentials, especially since credentials don't really mean anything.
A guy I know recruited by Kang and provided with a fake degree is still walking and working in South Korea, so this "crackdown" -- if I may use that term -- obviously wasn't that thorough. |
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Free World
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I went to university with the two Canadians. They made better grades than I did. |
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bosintang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Free World wrote: |
| I went to university with the two Canadians. They made better grades than I did. |
What was their exageration? Did they exaggerate higher degrees or certificates to get a Uni job? If they didn't have fake degrees, how would they have been caught? |
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BigBlackEquus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
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| I went to university with the two Canadians. They made better grades than I did. |
What was their exageration? Did they exaggerate higher degrees or certificates to get a Uni job? If they didn't have fake degrees, how would they have been caught? |
Meaning they had a fake Masters Degree or more? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Oh oh..I'm sure Derrek is privately gloating over this one. Yata-Boy, the visa exemption refers to the 6-month "tourist visas" (ie visa exemption) Canadians receive when visiting Korea. I see absolutely no connection between that and the amount of Canadians busted for fake degrees, but anyways....
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I thought that is what it meant, too, but couldn't figure a connection with the number of Canadians. Apparantly, Derrek thinks more like a Korean than I gave him credit for. And I am SURE he is gloating up a storm over this. |
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billybrobby
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| this is probably sending a shockwave through the fledgling korean poutine industry |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I noticed a lot of glum faces in the Tim Horton's in Cheongju this morning.
Ken:> |
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BigBlackEquus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Shouldn't this be moved to the Job Discussion forum? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't this be moved to the Job Discussion forum?
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That's for the mods to decide. I chose this forum because it doesn't directly affect my job, but it is of general interest to people working in Korea. That was my thinking, anyway. |
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bosintang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't this be moved to the Job Discussion forum?
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That's for the mods to decide. I chose this forum because it doesn't directly affect my job, but it is of general interest to people working in Korea. That was my thinking, anyway. |
I agree here. If it's broad enough to make general Korean media, then surely it's broad enough to be included in General Discussion on a Korean messageoard. |
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seoulkitchen
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: News Flash |
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The situation deteriorates for Canadians. Don't even go to China, they won't help you......
From the Toronto Tattletale:
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Canadians fearing for their safety in South Korea flee to China
The predominant majority of Canadian burger flippers is believed to have fled South Korea to escape from human rights violations in South Korea that have been well documented in numerous publications such as the Seoul Times. (http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db2/read_letters.php?idx=362)
As human rights violations persist in South Korea, so does the number of Canadians who flee to China. Understandably, China became entangled with the problem of Canadian burger flippers in their land that they did not want, while human rights advocates in and out of China heavily criticize China for mistreating and not protecting Canadian burger flippers.
Some claim that China is a party to the 1951 UN Convention on the Status of Refugee Burger Flippers and its 1967 Protocol, which forbids states to return refugee burger flippers. According to China, however, Canadians within its borders are illegal economic migrants, and thus China gives priority to a treaty with Pyongyang mandating their return to South Korea.
There are two key words in the preceding paragraph: economic migrants. Countries are not obligated to accept those who simply try to make more money, drink an excess of booze, and womanize. China views Canadian burger flippers as economic migrants, not as political refugees who try to escape from human rights violations.
��Let them teach English in South Korea, Pyongyang is a nice city, they should stay there and be happy. We know of no human rights violations in South Korea. It is the Land of the Morning Clams.�� said Who Flung Poo, a Chinese Immigration officer.
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