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forgesteel



Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:57 am    Post subject: Letter of Recommendation Reply with quote

Assuming I have been asked to return to the school I presently teach at, but they don't want to match my salary request/ other contract details I might like to consider:

What are the best ways to get a recommendation letter? Best ways to ask for a recommendation letter? Best times to ask? Best circumstances to ask?

Any advice on the matter would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some co-workers you like to type one out for you. When I was looking I had a really nice one written in Hangeul that seemed to help make a good impression, especially as Koreans often can't read flattering but nuanced English very well.
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forgesteel



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:57 am    Post subject: same advice apply? Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Get some co-workers you like to type one out for you. When I was looking I had a really nice one written in Hangeul that seemed to help make a good impression, especially as Koreans often can't read flattering but nuanced English very well.


Thanks for your advice. Let's say I want a recommendation letter from wonjangnim. What's the best way to do this? Does the same advice apply?

Thanks in advance,
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of asking someone else to take time to write up something on you, you might have better luck if you do it. Seriously, write up something about yourself that you think that they would agree with and then ask that person if he/she is willing to sign it. This takes the pressure off the person in question to write well, think of something to say, and have the time to do it.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petlover's right, unless you want something in Hanguel. That means someone liking you enough to take 15 minutes to do something that's completely unnecessary.
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forgesteel



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject: What is unnecessary? Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Petlover's right, unless you want something in Hanguel. That means someone liking you enough to take 15 minutes to do something that's completely unnecessary.


I got the first part about agreeing with pet lover. And I agree too. That is what I've heard a lot: write the letter yourself, and make it reasonable so they won't object to signing it.

But what do you mean about 'unnecessary?' I thought letters of recommendation were supposed to be useful when looking for employment?

Cheers,
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pet lover



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, depending upon where you are applying, it might be not be neccessary or even helpful to have a letter of recommendation in English. If you were applying for a hagwon like mine, letters of recommendation would be extremely helpful. If you were applying for the average run-of-the-mill hagwon where the person in charge of hiring doesn't know anything about education and/or has very low English reading comprehension skills, then a letter in English would likely be ignored.
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forgesteel



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: my director speaks good English Reply with quote

pet lover wrote:
Well, depending upon where you are applying, it might be not be neccessary or even helpful to have a letter of recommendation in English. If you were applying for a hagwon like mine, letters of recommendation would be extremely helpful. If you were applying for the average run-of-the-mill hagwon where the person in charge of hiring doesn't know anything about education and/or has very low English reading comprehension skills, then a letter in English would likely be ignored.


My director can speak very good English, and would be more than willing to write me an accompanying letter in Korean. I am assuming all I have to do is ask him in a way that is non-threatening. If I have written the English version, making a Korean equivalent of it ought not be that difficult.

So, in that case, what's the best way to ask for the letter?

By the way, most Universities in Korea ask for recommendation letters, so I am assuming they seriously want them. Additionally, when I go back to the States, I want to have recommendation letters for my employers there.

In short, I am not leaving Korea (or my present job) without them, if I can at all help it.

Cheers,
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pet lover



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then, in that case, I would simply tell the director that you want to build up a portfoilio and you would like to have a letter from him in it as you think highly of his opinion, or something like that. That's assuming you can't tell him the truth. And yeah, I know from experience that you can't and SHOULDN'T always be completely honest with your employer if you plan to leave at the end of your contract.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: What is unnecessary? Reply with quote

forgesteel wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Petlover's right, unless you want something in Hanguel. That means someone liking you enough to take 15 minutes to do something that's completely unnecessary.


I got the first part about agreeing with pet lover. And I agree too. That is what I've heard a lot: write the letter yourself, and make it reasonable so they won't object to signing it.

But what do you mean about 'unnecessary?' I thought letters of recommendation were supposed to be useful when looking for employment?

Cheers,


Sorry - I meant getting someone to do some work that's unnecessary for them. It may or may not be necessary for the prospective applicant.
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forgesteel



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

pet lover wrote:
Then, in that case, I would simply tell the director that you want to build up a portfoilio and you would like to have a letter from him in it as you think highly of his opinion, or something like that. That's assuming you can't tell him the truth. And yeah, I know from experience that you can't and SHOULDN'T always be completely honest with your employer if you plan to leave at the end of your contract.


This is good advice. I'll follow it, and get back to you with my results.

Any other tips or suggestions much appreciated.

Thanks,
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pet lover



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask his advice as well. Men love it when ANYONE asks them for advice. Show him some samples of student work and ask him if he thinks it would be a good idea to include them in your portfolio. This makes the whole thing seem more real and makes him more relaxed because you are asking for his opinion. And people love to give their opinions.

This works especially well if you are a woman, but will still work if you are a male.
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another way that's worked for me is to explain that I am applying to graduate school for a Master's degree and I need three letters of recommendation. Two out of the three letters can be from professors but one must be from an employer. Explain that you've had many employers you could go back to for this letter but since this is your current employer it is your first choice and it could make the difference between getting into graduate school or not. Watch how well this works! The boss now has the POWER to help you get into graduate school... at least in HIS mind. Now, what kind of boss would NOT want you to further your education, especially if that means you can do the degree by distance and it would help you in your current job? Think about this.... the letter now becomes a motivator rather than a task for the boss or just a favor to you.
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