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LL Moonmanhead
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: Saddam only being tried for one specific massacre |
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Why is he only being tried for one specific masaccre?
Because the yanks know how embarrassing it would be for the world to know how they aided his murderous experiments and said sweet FA afterwards..... something to do with him being a close friend at the time i believe. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: |
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One for now anyway. It's certainly no secret that we gave him quite a bit of aid, including some that helped him make chemical weapons. I'm sure Joo will be here soon to defend that.
The Iranians want him charged for starting the ruinous Iran-Iraq war. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| A member of Iraqi Minister of Justice's defense team has just been kidnapped; the trail is going to either be delayed or moved out of Iraq due to safety considerations. If you can't guarantee the safety of the lawyers, jury, and the witnesses, then you don't have much of a chance of holding a real trial. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Why is he only being tried for one specific masaccre?
Because the yanks know how embarrassing it would be for the world to know how they aided his murderous experiments and said sweet FA afterwards..... something to do with him being a close friend at the time i believe.
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Or it could be a reason that doesn't involve your anti-Americanism at all. It could just be, like in many many cases of serial crimes, that you just prosecute one of them. Why waste time and money? After all, you can only execute one guy one time. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Saddam only being tried for one specific massacre |
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| LL Moonmanhead wrote: |
| Why is he only being tried for one specific masaccre[sic]? |
When you try cases, even extraordinary ones, you must present sufficient evidence to overcome the presumption of innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. And this is also the case in Iraq, where Saddam is presumed innocent, according to what I heard the judge say, at least.
Why this particular massacre? Probably has something to do with the available evidence being particularly strong here. I don't know, but that's what am assuming.
Ever go fishing? Yes? Do you expect to catch the whole lake? No? That's because you take what you can get. It's the same for a prosecutor.
So there is no conspiracy here. And why would the U.S. -- and who? the judge? do you have any evidence that would establish collusion? -- conspire to cover up facts about U.S. support for Saddam against Iran that are already well-known?
And Kirkpatrick's Dictatorships and Double Standards thesis (merely a new variation on the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thesis in realpolitik) produces strange bedfellows at times...but come on, dude, "close friends"? Same thing as above: you take what you can get, for better or for worse. Doesn't mean that Washington and Saddam were ever "close friends." He was killing Iranians. At the time, that was good enough.
Even FDR recognized Somoza as an SOB, and we were much closer to him than we ever were to Saddam. |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| He'll have about 12 different trials....so far |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder what odds Vegas bookies are giving on Saddam being assassinated before any verdict is reached? |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Saddam only being tried for one specific massacre |
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| LL Moonmanhead wrote: |
Why is he only being tried for one specific masaccre?
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Because in this one specific massaccre he was actually there when the murders happened. His convoy was attacked when going through a village so his police killed 150 of the locals in reprisals.
The problem with charging him for things like gassing the Kurds is that is would be very difficult to prove he actually gave the order to do it and the prosecutors would have trouble if they were saying that as the president he was reponsible for the actions of his generals and people 'on the ground'. These type of arguments take up much of the time in the Balkan war crimes trials. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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So there is no conspiracy here. And why would the U.S. -- and who? the judge? do you have any evidence that would establish collusion? -- conspire to cover up facts about U.S. support for Saddam against Iran that are already well-known?
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Plus, if they were trying to cover up American support for Saddam, why would they want to publicize an incident from 1982? Wasn't that around the time when his alliance with the Americans was going great guns?
Surely, if the agenda was to whitewash American complicity, they would try him for something that happened during or after the Gulf War. |
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