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gotokorea
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
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 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: legal degrees.... but no attendance at UNI |
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Ok, please, nobody get mad over this, if you do, then I am sorry.
IF someone has received a degree through their hard work experience but never attended college, can they legally teach in Korea. My friend back home is considering doing this, but he says it's only because he loves children and has a Korean fiance. Is this legal, and does anyone have any advice on how he can do this if he decides... would it be better to work at say a middle school or a hagwon. I have been teaching in Korea with a real degree for 3 years, and have met all sort of teachers.... some completely against teaching illegally and some who don't care. Personally it doesn't bother me as long as the teacher can get the kids attention and hold a good class session. I really don't know much on this topic, as I am not in this situation, but is there anyone who does know have any advice I might be able to tell him.... what is the legality of it?????? Some of you may be judgemental, I know.... but just remember what love can make you do sometimes. CHEERS |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| IF someone has received a degree through their hard work experience but never attended college, can they legally teach in Korea |
What does this mean? It was hard working making a degree on the computer or it was hard work tracking down a forger?
Of course you can legally teach in Korea with forged documents. In fact there is a clause specifically written in the immigration law.
Section 5b
Matters pertaining to the use and presentation of forged documents in regards to teaching legally in the Republic of Korea.
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If an applicant submits fake, forged, or otherwise illegally
obtained documentation that person without reservation shall
have all the legal rights permitted to them and be issued with
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: legal degrees.... but no attendance at UNI |
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| gotokorea wrote: |
| IF someone has received a degree through their hard work experience but never attended college, can they legally teach in Korea. |
So, are you saying he doesn't have a degree from an accredited school? Unless he does, he risks being deported. He doesn't need to take such risks. Instead, they should consider coming to Korea and getting married earlier than they had planned. All they would need to do is to fill out some forms at city hall and his embassy. They can have a traditional wedding later. Being married would entitle him to an F-2 visa. You might want to contact your local immigration office for the details, but it's been said that the F-2 now allows foreigners to become registered tutors (ie. their own boss). |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| fidel wrote: |
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| IF someone has received a degree through their hard work experience but never attended college, can they legally teach in Korea |
What does this mean? It was hard working making a degree on the computer or it was hard work tracking down a forger?
Of course you can legally teach in Korea with forged documents. In fact there is a clause specifically written in the immigration law.
Section 5b
Matters pertaining to the use and presentation of forged documents in regards to teaching legally in the Republic of Korea.
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If an applicant submits fake, forged, or otherwise illegally
obtained documentation that person without reservation shall
have all the legal rights permitted to them and be issued with
the appropriate visa. |
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Excellento! |
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gotokorea
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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[quote]IF someone has received a degree through their hard work experience but never attended college, can they legally teach in Korea
What I meant by this is that he was granted a degree by a UCC accredited college based on what he has done during his life experiences.
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| being married would entitle him to an f-2 visa |
Is this really true? All he needs to do is get married and regardless if his degree is legitimate according to immigrations or not ( I have no Idea if it is ), then he can legally teach??
Well tell me more about all of this if you know..... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| If he has a legit degree from an accredited university, I don't really think it matters how he attained it. Kurt Vonnegut got his MA based on the strength of his novel Cat's Cradle. (He had done all the course work in Anthropology but never finished his thesis... his university granted him the MA, taking the novel in lieu.) |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="gotokorea"]
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IF someone has received a degree through their hard work experience but never attended college, can they legally teach in Korea
What I meant by this is that he was granted a degree by a UCC accredited college based on what he has done during his life experiences.
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| being married would entitle him to an f-2 visa |
Is this really true? All he needs to do is get married and regardless if his degree is legitimate according to immigrations or not ( I have no Idea if it is ), then he can legally teach??
Well tell me more about all of this if you know..... |
F-2 is a residency visa. According to Korean law, one only needs a highschool diploma to get a tutoring permit. In other words, if your buddy gets married, regardless of how he obtained his degree, he should be able to tutor as long has he holds an F-2 and a highschool diploma. It's an option he should consider.
What is UCC? I've done a few searches, but I'm still not sure what it is.
You need to know that degree mills have created their own accreditation bodies--in other words, these bogus universities are often self-accredited. If the UCC is one of those, your friend may have a worthless degree without even knowing it. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Thre are quite a few universities that accept CLEP exams, GRE exams, DANTES, and PLA (Prior Life Assessment) portfolios as a portion of the requirements to fulfill a bachelors degree.
In fact, three universities (regionally accredited) can accept those methods for the entire BA. These are:
Charter Oak State College
Thomas Edison State College
Regents University
However, I don't believe they will accept only one source for all of the credits --- you need to have a mix of all of them. I know of no university that accepts strictly PLA's as a basis for an entire degree.
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: |
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By life experience do you mean:
He was in the military and the university gave credits for the type of training the military gave him? I have a friend who was in the military and got like 2~3 yrs in credits because of the experience and training the military gave him. So he didn't have to do the full 4 years. His degree was in some type of engineering though... |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Aren't transcripts important? |
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: Accredited |
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| if the Uni is regional accredited then there should be no problem. However, if it is a degree he purchased and it is not regionally accredited then it will probably nort float. |
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gotokorea
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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so...how is he supposed to know if it's regionally accredited and if it's not and they hire him anyway, will it be illegal? It is accredited, I just don't know if it's regional or a paper mill or just an accredidation that is in the country.
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By life experience do you mean:
He was in the military and the university gave credits for the type of training the military gave him? |
Yes, he was in the Military and the university rewarded him with a degree. I think it was in Public Relations.
He was wondering.... if Immigration considers this illegal, what are the chances he will get caught? I talked with a couple of teachers at my school and they told me to advise him to just not work at a hagwon and he should be ok. Is this true? I hate to support it if it's illegal but he's my friend and I understand he's in love now. But hell, I dunno, it may be perfectly legal also. Give me your input..... |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| gotokorea wrote: |
| so...how is he supposed to know if it's regionally accredited and if it's not and they hire him anyway, will it be illegal? It is accredited, I just don't know if it's regional or a paper mill or just an accredidation that is in the country. |
How is he supposed to know if his university is accredited? Well, you ask them. An E2 visa clearly lays out you need a degree from an accredited university. If it's not accredited by your home country then it is simply a diploma mill. He would clearly be committing fraud in Korea and subject to arrest by immigration and spend time in the storied Accadia U grey bar frat house. |
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teachmeenglish
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Well considering that I am only allowed to fail 15% of my class, and about 25% have never come, I guess I am responsable for helping in the granting of degrees in Korea for students who ahve never been to class!!
Good luck to your friend. I hope he can find a legal way to make it here. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Step one: Your friend should call his university and find out if it is accredited.
If it is accredited then he has no problems and can start looking for work.
If it is not accredited his degree, however he earned it, will not be recognized as valid for an E-2 visa and even if he gets one by slipping through immigration he will be in Korea with invalid documents. Considering the current immigration attitude towards illegal teachers your friend should really consider his options carefully. If he comes over with invalid documents and gets busted later on he might or will be fined and then deported.
But, before he takes the very simple step of asking his univeristy about accreditation then you are just taking shots in the dark here.... |
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