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Who Killed Rafiq Hariri ???
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Who Killed Rafiq Hariri ???
Syrian Intelligence
35%
 35%  [ 7 ]
CIA
30%
 30%  [ 6 ]
Mossad
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
His son
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
General Aoun
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Hezbollah
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
Other (explain)
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either Syrian intelligence did it or some brilliant Lebanese person(s) who could forsee what killing him would do.

Due to my faith in humans' intelligence, I'm guessing the former.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Interest in Larouche , Zundal and 9-11 conspiracy theories.

what agenda does Igotthisguitar have? The same agenda as the American Free Press.

Any questions?

Case closed.


Unlike yourself Joo i have an interest in investigation, contemplation, & discovering the "not always so black & white" idiot-logically poisoned truth.

I've got an interest in lots of things, yep.

In fact i enjoy romantic walks along the beach at midnight, doing crossword puzzles, researching the Kennedy assassination, donating money to the Timbuktu orphans' fund, and gardening. Any conclusions you care to draw from that ... oh great wise one ???

Why not try something other than flaming people whose opinons offend you with your cheap shot AD HOMINEM attacks ???

I'm the troll here eh ??? Laughing

Sure thing boss. However, maybe next time before you try to pin that label on anyone you'll make a little more effort posting a few more messages in OTHER parts of the ESL discussion forum. Y'know ??? Off-topic, Q&A, "Job" Related, General, Technology etc.

As a number of other posters here have noted on more than one occasion:



PoT





Kettle

Black


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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unlike yourself Joo i have an interest in investigation, contemplation, & discovering the "not always so black & white" idiot-logically poisoned truth
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No you have an interest in hate mongering propagnda and disinformation .

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I've got an interest in lots of things, yep.

In fact i enjoy romantic walks along the beach at midnight, doing crossword puzzles, researching the Kennedy assassination, donating money to the Timbuktu orphans' fund, and gardening. Any conclusions you care to draw from that ... oh great wise one ???


You also have an interest in hate speech.

Quote:
Why not try something other than flaming people whose opinons offend you with your cheap shot AD HOMINEM attacks ???

I'm the troll here eh ??? Laughing


Yep cause neo nazi disinformation artists all should be outed.

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Sure thing boss. However, maybe next time before you try to pin that label on anyone you'll make a little more effort posting a few more messages in OTHER parts of the ESL discussion forum. Y'know ??? Off-topic, Q&A, "Job" Related, General, Technology etc.



Jeff Rense and his followers are all fascist bigots.

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As a number of other posters here have noted on more than one occasion:


There have been other fascist bigots.




Neo Nazi fascist bigot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Just like his followers.


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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Who am i accusing ??? Who am i labelling ??? Did i accuse anyone ??? Am i accusing anyone now ??? Nope, don't think so. Unlike some ( your apparent sock buddy Joo, zombie Bush & the neocons ) i didn't realize i was.




Methinks thou dost protest too much. But you are cute when you get indignant. It doesn't do much for your credibility, but it is cute.

PS: LIBEL and LABEL are not the same word.
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igotthisguitar



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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Anti-Syrian Candidates Concede in Lebanon Reply with quote

Anti-Syrian Candidates Concede in Lebanon
By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer



SOUK EL-GHARB, Lebanon - Anti-Syrian candidates apparently suffered major losses in a third round of elections Sunday to fill nearly half the seats in parliament, a senior opposition leader conceded after a campaign that led to some surprising alliances.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_elections
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.N. probe links Syria to Hariri killing Question
Witnesses 'tried to mislead the investigation'

Friday, October 21, 2005 Posted: 0630 GMT (1430 HKT)

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- U.N. investigators have found "converging evidence" of Lebanese and Syrian involvement in the February killing of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, a released report released has concluded.

Shortly after the United Nations called on Syria to remove its troops from Lebanon, five senior officials -- including the brother of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad -- allegedly plotted to assassinate Hariri, a key mover in getting the U.N. resolution passed, according to the U.N. report.

CNN was able to obtain a copy of the report given to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and Security Council members, which lists the names of the men accused of planning the February 14, 2005, bombing that killed Hariri and 22 other people.

The names were retracted in copies of the report released for general distribution.

In addition to al-Assad's brother, Maher Assad, those investigating Hariri's death accused Assef Shawkat, the Syrian president's brother-in-law; Jamil al-Sayyed, head of Lebanese intelligence; Hassan Khalil, former head of Syrian intelligence; and Bahjat Suleyman, a personal friend of the Syrian president, as participating in planning the assassination.

The report, by German prosecutor Detleve Mehlis, stated that "many leads point directly towards Syrian security officials as being involved with the assassination," and it calls on Damascus "to clarify a considerable part of the unresolved questions."

Syrian officials have denied any involvement in the bombing. But given Syrian domination of its allied government in Lebanon, "it would be difficult to envisage a scenario whereby such a complex assassination plot could have been carried out without their knowledge," Mehlis concluded.

Mehlis' report found that Syrian authorities cooperated "to a limited degree" with the investigation, but several witnesses "tried to mislead the investigation by giving false or inaccurate statements."

There was no immediate reaction from Syrian officials to the findings.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/21/lebanon.hariri/index.html
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question is the same as in a murder case.
Who had the most to gain from Hariri's death?
So explain what did the U.S. gain from killing a person who was unfriendly to Syria (a U.S. enemy)?
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, look at how Syria has handled problems in the past. Is there a similarity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_Massacre
This happened because Assad viewed the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat. So they declared war and wiped out a city. If anything, Hariri's assassination could be considered mild by their standards. (meaning they didn't destroy too much else)
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm ... well here's an angle we're not hearing much of in the major monopoly media ...

Hariri Reportedly Assassinated To Make Way For Large US Air Base In Lebanon
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
3-12-5

According to high-level Lebanese intelligence sources-Christian and Muslim-former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was reportedly assassinated in a sophisticated explosion-by-wire bombingauthorized by the Bush administration and Ariel Sharon's Likud government in Israel.

There are also strong indications that the Hariri assassination was carried out by the same rogue Syrian intelligence agents used in the 2002 car bombing assassination of Lebanese Christian leader Elie Hobeika, who was prepared to testify against Sharon in a Brussels human rights court. That case involved the Israeli Prime Minister's role in the 1982 massacre by Israeli troops of Palestinian refugees at the Sabra and Chatilla camps in Beirut. The Hariri assasination used wire-bombing technology because Hariri's security personnel used electronic countermeasures to fend off a remote control bomb using wireless means. It has been revealed that the Bush administration has used Syrian intelligence agents to torture al Qaeda suspects through the program known as "extraordinary rendition."

Hariri, a pan-Arabist and Lebanese nationalist, was known to adamantly oppose the construction of a major U.S. air base in the north of Lebanon. The United States wants Syrian troops completely out of Lebanon before construction of the base is initiated. Hariri's meetings with Hezbollah shortly before his death also angered Washington and Jerusalem, according to the Lebanese intelligence sources.

Washington and Jerusalem media experts spun Hariri's assassination as being the work of Syrian intelligence on orders from President Bashar Assad. However, a number of Middle East political observers in Washington claim that Hariri's assassination was not in the interests of Assad, but that the Bush and Sharon administrations had everything to gain from it, including the popular Lebanese uprising against the Syrian occupation.

Lebanese intelligence sources report that even without a formal agreement with Lebanon, the contract for the northern Lebanese air base has been let by the Pentagon to Jacobs Engineering Group of Pasadena, California. Other construction support will be provided by Bechtel Corporation.

Jacobs Engineering and Jacobs Sverdrup are currently contracted for work in Saudi Arabia for Aramco, Iraq for the U.S. occupation authority, Bosnia, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.

The Lebanese air base is reportedly to be used as a transit and logistics hub for U.S. forces in Iraq and as a rest and relaxation location for U.S. troops in the region. In addition, the Lebanese base will be used to protect U.S. oil pipelines in the region (Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and Mosul/Kirkuk-Ceyhan) as well as to destabilize the Assad government in Syria. The size of the planned air base reportedly is on the scale of the massive American Al Udeid air base in Qatar.

A number of intelligence sources have reported that assassinations of foreign leaders like Hariri and Hobeika are ultimately authorized by two key White House officials, Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliot Abrams. In addition, Abrams is the key liaison between the White House and Sharon's office for such covert operations, including political assassinations.

"Abrams is the guy they [the Israelis] go to for a wink and a nod for such ops," reported one key source.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based journalist and columnist and the co-author of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II."

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=31138
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmmm ... now here's an interesting angle. Novel really. Strange CNN hasn't picked up this Idea

The Hariri Bombing
Investigative reporter exposes evidence linking Israel to the murder of Lebanon's former Prime Minister Hariri



"The Zionist Plan for the Middle East," written by Oded Yinon, a former official with the Foreign Ministry of Israel, was published in a journal of the World Zionist Organization in 1982.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Zionist+Plan+Middle+East+Oded+Yinon

The plan calls for the dissolution, or Balkanization, of both Syria and Iraq.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Hariri.html

2 Hours of Audio Commentary & Interview w/ Investigative Reporter ...
http://www.iamthewitness.com.nyud.net:8090/DarylSmith_1026051.mp3
http://www.iamthewitness.com.nyud.net:8090/DarylSmith_1026052.mp3
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brief TV interview with journalist Robert Fisk. He offers a brief analysis of the complex web of interlocking regional interests, as well as how key Hariri assassination evidence was with tampered with, planted on the scene, conveniently disappeared etc.

Hmmmmm ... anyone surprised?

WATCH, LISTEN ... and LEARN ...
rtsp://media.abc.net.au/reallibrary/200506/r50483_134317.rm
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mossad Terror Suspect Confesses
Wednesday 14 June 2006, 9:41 Makka Time, 6:41 GMT



The Lebanese army says Rafah was part of a terror network

Related:
Two dead in Lebanon border clash
Lebanon blast kills Islamic Jihad official
Lebanon mourns al-Hariri one year on
Israel attacks Hizb Allah positions

A Lebanese man has confessed to assassinating a number of senior members of Hezbollah and Palestinian armed groups over a seven-year period on behalf of Israeli intelligence.

The Lebanese army said on Tuesday that Mahmud Rafah, who was arrested along with three others last week in connection with the May 26 killing of two Islamic Jihad officials, was a leading member of a "terrorist" network behind at least three other major assassinations in Lebanon.

"Investigations by military intelligence showed that the terrorist network that was discovered had links to the Israeli Mossad for several years and that its members underwent training both inside Israel and outside," the army statement said.

"The network was tasked by this agency with carrying out these operations and was given secret communication and monitoring devices for this purpose, along with detailed maps of the target ... forged documents and bags with secret pockets."

Israel has dismissed accusations it was behind the car bombing last month that killed Mahmud Majdhub, known as Abu Hamza, and his brother Nidal, both members of the Palestinian resistance group Islamic Jihad, in the southern Lebanese city of Sidon.

Several Palestinian and Hezbollah officials had been killed in Lebanon in recent years in attacks that their organisations had blamed on Israel, their neighbour and enemy.

Confession

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/088E7571-06E9-47B6-B736-1C1E35FEF2E9.htm
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



One can't help but wonder if the same "people" who so effectively executed their "terror" attack on his father's convoy, will now try & remove his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saad_Hariri

QUI BONO?

Hmmmmmmmmm ...
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo,

Who killed JFK?

DD

Ps. Please respond with an appropriate salvo, I am dying to know.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
Joo,

Who killed JFK?

DD

Ps. Please respond with an appropriate salvo, I am dying to know.



Probably Oswald. Hey DD instead of dying to know why aren't you just dying?
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