Korean Job Discussion Forums

[BigBlackEquus]

Here is an ad for Sangji University. Sounds like yet another, 'don't give the foreigners tenure' situation. In the ad, they say this:

'The contract is for a year, renewable up to 6 years.'



Here is the link:

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=17782

[teachmeenglish]

But some foreigners have tenure. I have seen ads looking for natives for tenure and met one at KOTESL last week. Does anyone know the legal bits regarding tenure??

[lastat06513]

I have tenure, and it is not even in the English department

[Real Reality]

Look at the note from the E-1 visa regulation for professors:
In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
Visa Issuance Procedure
Ministry of Justice, Immigration Bureau [Republic of Korea]
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp

University Contracts and Restructuring
http://efl-law.com/universities_restructuring.html

Universities and Colleges
http://efl-law.com/universities.html

Foreign professors do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. They tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.... According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
Foreign scholars merit equal status
John B. Kotch, JoongAng Ilbo (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

Professor (Salary/Month)
South Korea: US$ 5,511
Asiaweek Salaries Survey 2000
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/21prof.html

Average Monthly Salary of Korean Professors
According to the 2001 College Education Advancement Index' which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.... Payment for research benefits per professor also increased to 19,979,000 won in 2000, which is 7.9 percent (1,461,000 won) higher than the previous year.
Donga.com (February 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798

"No chair for foreigner" GM Daewoo head told
The "no-foreigners" rule was first made in 2001 when then-Samsung Motor was being sold to Renault.
by Kim Tae-jin and Lee Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (January 18, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200501/17/200501172228551609900090509051.html

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous.
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448

Full-time Is NINE HOURS for University Position
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=12221&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

[Real Reality]

Stop corruption in academia
Swindling meager research subsidies from students, who depend on these professors for recommendations for employment, is not what an educator should be doing. There are other methods, such as getting false receipts from suppliers of research materials, or pretending to pay for materials with a credit card, then getting a refund from the supplier.
Editorial, JoongAng Daily (April 27, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272153216879900090109011.html

Corrupt professors common, students say
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html

Scandals Rock schools
Korea Has Long Way to Go in Education Reform
by Chung Ah-young, Korea Times (February 25, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200502/kt2005022518253910230.htm

Professors Cheat to Maintain SCI Scores
A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it.... while a professor Kang at "D" University aged more than 50, concluded a secret agreement with a newly appointed professor to have his name added to papers in exchange for hiring him as opposed to other candidates. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
Choi Won-seok, Chosun Ilbo (April 25, 2002)
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html

A Professor Beat Students Who Didn't Speak English
... They insisted, "Professor Lee often beat and abused students." The official of Kwangju Institute of Science and Technology said, "Professor Lee accepted the above facts. He was discharged from a head of the department and a disciplinary measure has been in progress."
Donga.com (September 10, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2002091152368

[desultude]

Every waygook on my campus has an M.A. or less. They would not get a job at a U.S. university, let alone tenure.

I saw a job the other day which offered tenure potential, but required a PhD and publications- exactly what is required in the States.

[BigBlackEquus]

lastat, do you have a ph.D?

[SuperHero]

[BigBlackEquus]

For what other reason would they limit your employment there, if it weren't about tenure?

[the_beaver]

My particular department doesn't have it (which is fine because I like not doing research and keeping my obscence holidays), but there are at least two people who were in my department and are now teaching in other departments in tenure or tenure track positions.

[desultude]

[lastat06513]

No, But I do have a Masters

[coolsage]

For what it's worth, I taught for three years at a Kyodae ( Teachers' College), and they had (and still have) a three-years- and- out policy. This is Korean ingenuity at its most forceful: just about the time that one is getting good at the gig, that one is kicked off the island and and the raw talent is brought in, to repeat the cycle. I've never wanted tenure; I just wanted the opportunity to get even better at teaching future teachers, because I have a flair for that sort of work. And I could have been delivering the goods for that place for quite some time. As it turns out, that revolving door has come around to hit them in the ass; foreign teachers now don't want to stay even for a second year. Such a waste... .

[Hollywoodaction]