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[nshadow]

There is an interesting article from some recruiting fim out of NYC. Seems they have done some testing of the local hogwan market here in korea and came up with some interesting results.

We just completed a survey on some of the recruiting firms after some have sent a message on the conditions in Korea at this time. We are primary a Processional firm specializing in CEO, CFO, Computer IT and other professionals. Though we do not specialize in the EFL industry but this is our results. Feel free to examine this information. Though a note from our firm. We do find many Korean attempting to get employment here in the U.S. and aboard and do have fake degrees and credentials and they are not fired or deported, just not offered the job.

Here is our report; the recruiting firms are FT Union, English Teachers Bank, ESL Cafe, and GIA. They all failed. The teachers have been completely verified and are fully qualified and are currently working now at ESl Instructors have been verified based upon our standards. We have currenly 4 teacher in different counties conducting these random surveys.

Greetings Bruce of English Teachers Bank;

My name is Eric Hoffman, Director of By the Bay Recruiting services main office located in ( **********************************) We have our offices in various world wide locations. Our company is contracted by various governments, private and non profit agencies to evaluate various service providers though out the world. Currently we are evaluating 5 recruiting agencies and 3 schools in Korea at this time.
We evaluate on:
1. Quality of service based upon credentials;
a. Education, degree, teaching certificates, or other credentials accepted on an international base: TEFL, TELSO, CELTA and PGE.
2. Speed of service by agency if contacted to provide service for �client�.
3. Verification of credentials provided to from the issuing university, or training institute (such as specialized teaching program) by international set standards, email or phone call. Not on set word of client.
4. Placement of �client� based upon his/her qualifications in an institute, (Korea, Hog wan, and University, private company, public education school or government agency) that matches their level of experience.
5. Standards and credentials set up by set counties government.
6. And a list of professional standards.

Our clients, Mr. (*****) as he is called, received his Masters Degree in Education from Harvard University, and possess an International recognized CELTA from English and Computer College (http://www.eccthai.com). He current is a Director the the English faculty and an instructor at a St. John�s International school in Bangkok, Thailand. The credentials he sent to you was fake, easy made on Koa San Road a well known place for backpacker to get their degrees or TEFL cert. there also. He is only several of the people we used to send out their request for placement until a school, recruiter or other agency responds. Korea/Taiwan and Japan have been selected by their government or non-profit agency to do the test.

The result of this survey remains confidential to the client only. So, we would not like you to get your hopes up for our client. Thank you for your inquiry and hopes up for him.

The results were listed as followed:

1. Quality of service based upon credentials;
Education, degree, teaching certificates, or other credentials accepted on an international base: TEFL, TELSO, CELTA and PGE.

a. Client with his background was provided with three schools.
1. The first was considered by �International standards�, and the United Nations and Koreas own laws as being highly illegal and un-professional.
2. 2nd school was a Christian school. Good quality and good level of performance, no �black list� entries for Korea. Not used but for advisory purposes only. Was a good choice by the client?
3. 3rd choice. Let too many questions unanswered and personal contact with other teachers not given. The entries for them on the �black lists� were too many to be given. Likewise any inexperienced instructor would avoid them like the plague and no recruiter would even recommend them to anyone, without losing face.

2. Speed of service by agency to the client.

a. Fast, up to date and willing to call the client with any job Perspectives.

3. Verification of credentials provided to from the issuing university, or training institute (such as specialized teaching program) by international set standards, email or phone call. Not on set word of client.

a. Failed on this part. No verification of diploma, or teacher credentials supplied in the �tailored� resume. The client is not always right and must in today�s standard be toughly checked. Most of our clients have the client not request the degree or transcript from the University in question, (can be forged or someone in that city can be set up to do the mailing), stamped seal can be forged. Chuck was able to obtain these documents from Koa San Road, for $75.00 U.S. dollars, and the TEFL cert. We provide our clients a letter for them to fill out and it has the address we put the address of the University in question on the envelope. Takes only 2 weeks for reply.

4. Placement of �client� based upon his/her qualifications in an institute, (Korea, Hog wan, and University, private company, public education school or government agency) that matches their level of experience.
a. Again to low for anyone, would suit a woman to do that kind of job or someone not knowing the education system there.

5. Standards and credentials set up by set counties government.
a. Again, verification of the documents by immigration lacks what it needs. Not what is advertised?
6. School contacting the client for phone to phone interview or face to face.
a. No school contacting the client or a teacher offering email or phone number to be contacted as reference. Just believing he word from a recruiting agency on the �recruiting agency�, not good enough.
7. The list will go on.

Thank you;
Eric Hoffman, Director in charge of services.
By the Bay Recruiting Services Incorporate
Email us at: [email protected]

p.s. Please do not contact Mr. (*****) in Bangkok, Thailand.


Note: the counties for teaching English that have seemed to have a higher and more tolerate able quality are: Taiwan, requiring at least a 2 year degree and TEFL or other teaching cert. and Japan. This is our findings.

[chiaa]

These two guys should take a couple of writing classes.

[Beej]

say what?

[ddeubel]

This is all pretty hard to follow and I don't get their point ...... next topic please..

Anyone else here astounded at meeting a high ranking Korean with a degree from a better American (usually) university WHO can't speak but a few trite and repetitive phrases? I'm astounded.....were their degrees bought. I am thinking of one person in particular and involved in the political world of education....

Just a thought.

DD

[Beej]

I also wondered how non native speakers could graduate from American universities, especially top flight Ivy league schools. Even at my non ivy league school you had to be able to write very well just to get passing grades. And there were a lot of papers.

[fidel]

Interesting you say...















I'll be blunt and say whatever that is, it's the most boring pile of gibberish I've read in a while. Thanks for wasting two minutes of my precious time and luring me in to read a spiel by some semi-illiterate yokel.

[muggie2dammit]

[Qinella]

I can't figure out what the point of the OP is. True, I did stop reading half-way through, but I honestly had no idea what was going on. Who are the clients? Who went to Harvard? What is the point?

[chronicpride]

The article is BS and sounds exactly like something a jaded foreign teacher in Korea would put up as a hoax, in light of the recent press about the David Kang busts that are making teachers out to be criminals. I'd say that it came from someone here. A few bored names come to mind.

[steroidmaximus]

I read about 12 lines and then stopped: no way this was done by a professional outfit. I feel dirty having read those 12 lines.

[rok_the-boat]

And I have to proof-read crap like that everyday ... sometimes, it is just impossible.

[crazylemongirl]

[Beej]

[Paji eh Wong]

See my location, change the subject.

[YoungLi]