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[Real Reality]

The alien work force in South Korea totals somewhere between 378,000 and half a million, most of whom come from South Asian countries, such as India, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, and the Philippines but also from the former Soviet Union countries and Nigeria. The figure includes about 11,000 English teachers from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa.

The number of Koreas traveling and living abroad is also having an impact. In 2003, some 8,300 Koreans went abroad to permanently settle in foreign countries, mostly to the West. According to government surveys, the most popular countries are the US (28.4 percent), followed by China (16.8 percent), Japan (12.6 percent), Canada (10.0 percent), and Australia (5.1 percent). The Korean foreign-born population was over 860,000 in 2000 according to the US Census Bureau.
South Korea Unknown, Misunderstood Overseas
By Tony MacGregor, Korea Times (October 25, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200510/kt2005102517282911950.htm

[ladyandthetramp]

[fidel]

[jaykimf]

Fidel; A deliberate lie? The Korean times article referred to permanent settlers. Your figures refer to permanent and long term arrivals. Do you think it's possible that long term arrivals includes non-immigrants such as students, businesspersons and diplomats etc?

[fidel]

[jaykimf]

The 20,000 figure for students presumably includes both short term arrivals with visitors visas and long term arrivals with student visas, but more to the point, could you explain the difference between Permanent arrivals and long term arrivals? Exactly who is included in each catagory?

[fidel]

I sent an email to my good friend the Hon David Cunliffe, Minister of Immigration and will fill you in with the details when he replies. I do know for a fact though that student visas and permits are issued for a maximum stay of one year and if you wnat to stay longer you have to keep re-applying.

[jaykimf]

Is that an admission that you don't know the difference between permanent and long term arrivals? The bottom line is that the KT article included only permanent settlers while your figures included both permanent and long term arrivals. Ready to apologize for the deliberate lie comment?

[fidel]

Are you perchance the author of the article in question? Do you also believe that close to 700 million tourists visited Korea?

My guess is that PLT arrivals are split into two groups depending on the type of visas they are given. If you fall under the category of PLT (permanent long term arrival) you are considered an immigrant who has by definition left their home country to settle in NZ. The FACT is there were 3,707 South Koreans who immigrated to NZ during the time period mentioned. It's laughable to believe that only 8000 or so Koreans left these fair shores permanently in 2003.

Check out this pdf file on census info on Koreans in the US. It will give you some idea at the rate that Koreans have been immigrating to the US. Unfortunately it doesn't cover 2003 but you'll get the general idea.

www.calstatela.edu/centers/ckaks/census/KAPOPUL2000.pdf

[jaykimf]

Well my guess is that the permanent arrivals are immigrants and the long term arrivals are non-immigrants. You have not presented any evidence that your guess is right and my guess is wrong. You have not shown that the 3707 figure is entirely made up of immigrants and I will not accept that as a fact until you provide some clear evidence. By the way, do you suppose there is another catagory of permanent and short term arrivals?

[fidel]

[jaykimf]

If you are waiting for your friend the immigration minister to explain the facts to you, how can you in a subsequent post state:"The FACT is there were 3,707 South Koreans who immigrated to NZ during the time period mentioned."

[fidel]

The onus is on you buddy to disprove NZ immigration statistics. The fact is 3700 Koreans immigrated to NZ for the given time period, it is you, not I, arguing that this figure could include those that are just coming to NZ on a temporary basis.

Perhaps you might like to provide some further proof that only 8000 Koreans emmigrated during that time period. Now stop looking like a fool, quit being combatative, have some patience and all will be revealed to you in time. If I'm talking out of my ass, then my apologies, if you're wrong then I don't expect anything from you.

In the meantime I'm surprised that you didn't offer any "prove it na, na, na" comments regarding my disbelief at the close to 700 million tourists who visited Korea figure.