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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: PM says U.S. partly to blame for gun crime proliferating... |
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Is this PM Martin getting tough?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051025/SHOOT25/Front/Idx
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By CAMPBELL CLARK AND OLIVER MOORE
Tuesday, October 25, 2005 Page A1
With reports from Unnati Gandhi and Jeff Sallot
TORONTO AND OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Paul Martin put part of the blame for gun crime in Canada on the United States yesterday, just before a visit with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Mr. Martin's insistence that the U.S. must take responsibility for guns flowing across the border came as the government prepares a gun-crime package to confront an issue that has become politically hot, especially in the Liberals' Toronto stronghold. The package includes stiffer sentences, a better witness-protection program and money for community crime-prevention programs.
Mr. Martin pressed the issue of gun smuggling in a meeting last night with Ms. Rice.
A senior Canadian official said he told Ms. Rice during their working dinner that gun smuggling from the U.S. is a growing problem and that Ottawa needs Washington to help stem the deadly illicit traffic.
Toronto was plagued by shootings on the weekend and yesterday that left three people dead and two injured.
"The Americans ask us to protect the borders. The Americans say there are things they do not like that come from Canada. Well, there are things that come from the United States that we don't like. And if we have a responsibility to them, they have a responsibility to us," Mr. Martin said at a news conference in Ottawa.
He declined to specify what he wants the United States to do.
Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said later that a cross-border strategy could include enhanced police-intelligence teams and unspecified "law-enhancement reforms."
He also said the federal government wants the provinces to explore the possibility of passing laws that would make it possible to file lawsuits for damages if U.S. gun manufacturers' practices are found to contribute to gun crime. He insisted that is not possible under current legislation and that it is up to the provinces.
Toronto Mayor David Miller's office welcomed that message. Spokesman Patchen Barss said the mayor would welcome "anything" that reduces the number of illegal guns on the city streets.
"If you look at the crime statistics, every kind of crime [is] down, except for crime with handguns," Mr. Barss said last night. "Possession of an illegal gun should be treated as seriously as a crime with an illegal gun, because the only reason to have an illegal gun is to commit a crime."
Mark Pugash, spokesman for Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair, said the chief has discussed with politicians the need for restrictions on the cross-border gun flow and "meaningful sentences" for gun-related crime.
But one Toronto gun expert said it is not enough to simply keep shifting blame from one side of the border to the other.
"It's not one person doing one thing that's going to solve the problem," said Detective Sergeant Doug Kuan, with the Toronto Police Service's guns and gangs unit.
"In most cases, it's not a sordid-looking American with a trench coat saying he has all these guns for sale stepping into Windsor. It's Canadians going down there, picking them up and smuggling them back in. But they're also working in conjunction with other Americans knowing what they're doing."
The renewed federal focus on gun violence came after the weekend shootings in Toronto. Homicide squad Staff Inspector Jeff McGuire, who said the incidents had "trademarks" of gang violence, rejected the notion that trouble had erupted because police job action had limited patrolling. He said cars were dispatched within seconds.
The killings pushed the city's homicide toll to 64 this year.
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.tsra.com/Lott107.htm
National Post (Canada)
June 15, 2004 Tuesday National Edition
BYLINE: John R. Lott Jr. and Eli Lehrer
BODY: Gun control has not worked in Canada. Since the new gun registration program started in 1998, the U.S. homicide rate has fallen, but the Canadian rate has increased. The net cost of Canada's gun registry has surged beyond $1-billion -- more than 500 times the amount originally estimated. Despite this, the Canadian government recently admitted it could not identify a single violent crime that had been solved through registration. Public confidence in the government's ability to fight crime has also eroded, with one recent survey showing only 17% of voters support the registration program.
So, if this hasn't worked, what's the solution? The NDP, which polls indicate may hold the balance of power in Parliament after June 28, has proposed a radical solution: "going across the border to the U.S. and actively engaging in lobbying to have gun -control laws in the U.S. strengthened."
This is part of an ironic pattern: When gun control laws fail -- as they consistently do, whether in Canada, the United States or other countries -- politicians seek to pass new laws rather than eliminate the old ones. In the United States, gun -control groups now claim that the 1994 Brady Act implementing background checks and assault-weapon bans failed to reduce crime only because they didn't go far enough; and that city bans on handguns in Chicago and Washington, D.C., failed only because other jurisdictions didn't follow suit.
The same logic applies overseas: With violent crime and gun crime soaring in the United Kingdom, where handguns are already banned, the British government is banning imitation guns. And in Australia, state governments are banning ceremonial swords.
Yet, the laws in Australia, Britain and Canada were adopted under what gun control advocates would argue were ideal conditions. All three countries adopted laws that applied to the entire country. Australia and Britain are surrounded by water, and thus do not have the easy smuggling problem that Canada claims with regard to the United States. The new attempts to ban toys or cast blame on the United States, reek of desperation.
Crime did not fall in England after handguns were banned in 1997. Quite the contrary, crime rose sharply. In May, the British government reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the last four years. Serious violent crime rates from 1997 to 2002 averaged 29% higher than 1996; robbery was 24% higher; murders 27% higher. Before the law, armed robberies had fallen by 50% from 1993 to 1997, but as soon as handguns were banned, the armed robbery rate shot back up, almost back to their 1993 levels. The violent crime rate in England is now double that in the United States.
Australia saw its violent crime rates soar after its 1996 gun control measures banned most firearms. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed than they did the year before the law went into effect. Murder and manslaughter rates remained unchanged, but armed robbery rates increased 74%, aggravated assaults by 32%. Australia's violent crime rate is also now double America's. In contrast, the United States took the opposite approach and made it easier for individuals to carry guns. Thirty-seven of the 50 states now have right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns once they pass a criminal background check. Violent crime in the United States has fallen much faster than in Canada, and violent crime has fallen even faster inright-to-carry states than for the nation as a whole. The states with the fastest growth in gun ownership have also experienced the biggest drops in violent crime rates.
It is understandable that Canadians are focusing on crime as the election nears. Everyone wants to take guns away from criminals. The problem is that law-abiding citizens obey the laws and criminals don't. Even in the unlikely event that a Canadian government were to convince the United States to ban guns, that would provide no more of a magic solution to Canadian crime than its own failed gun registry.
LOAD-DATE: June 15, 2004
"The Bias Against Guns" (Regnery, 2003). |
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Kuros
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds about as hypocritical as Americans blaming Canadians for drugs (i.e. marijuana) flowing over the border. And why are drugs and guns flowing over each border? There's a demand.
However, this hypocrisy has political use in that perhaps Martin is raising an issue that can lead to American-Canadian compromise and co-operation in limiting their respective problems...although hopefully Bush and Co. focuses less on 'drugs' than on terrorists. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
Sounds about as hypocritical as Americans blaming Canadians for drugs (i.e. marijuana) flowing over the border. And why are drugs and guns flowing over each border? There's a demand.
However, this hypocrisy has political use in that perhaps Martin is raising an issue that can lead to American-Canadian compromise and co-operation in limiting their respective problems...although hopefully Bush and Co. focuses less on 'drugs' than on terrorists. |
Don't forget: It is currently popular to blame Americans for everything. Martin is just sounding off with his typical rhetoric. He's not looking for any type of cooperation. He's just looking for a reason to point the finger south instead of at himself. |
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