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waterbaby
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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My first hagwon boss had me working at a location other than the one that was listed on my E2 visa. I didn't read Korean when I first arrived so never thought twice about it until about 5 months later when the immigration cops came to the school and told us we were all working illegally (my boss had 3 schools and had assigned all 4 of us to schools other than the ones we were working at). We got threatened with deportation but I think my boss must have paid a few bribes or something - we just had to get our workplace updated and new ARCs. It was pretty stressful for a while and I remember being so pissed at my boss for being so stupid.
So, not sure where I fit on your poll? Yes but I didn't know it was illegal? |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Yes, they asked me to teach at their mate's hagwon - which was illegal.
They also asked me to teach at a client's business premises - illegal.
They also make me teach kids past 10pm but that's going to stop with my new contract |
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amyjane
Joined: 24 Sep 2005
Location: SEOUL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: yes i worked illegally |
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My boss asked me to work for 3 weeks before I went to Osaka, I liked the school and appartment/location so I complied even though I was worried about doing it. So far my new boss only tried to get me to break my contract hrs etc but I told him no! (at least six times before he actually realised I meant NO!) I certainly have more respect for my own morals and values than some aspects of the law, especially in Korea. My school have decieved the parents several times and asked me to lie if anyone asked but I couldn't do that. Luckily nobody asked me! Hogwans seem to do lots of things that would be classed as fraud in other countries as well as immoral.  |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| waterbaby wrote: |
My first hagwon boss had me working at a location other than the one that was listed on my E2 visa. I didn't read Korean when I first arrived so never thought twice about it until about 5 months later when the immigration cops came to the school and told us we were all working illegally (my boss had 3 schools and had assigned all 4 of us to schools other than the ones we were working at). We got threatened with deportation but I think my boss must have paid a few bribes or something - we just had to get our workplace updated and new ARCs. It was pretty stressful for a while and I remember being so pissed at my boss for being so stupid.
So, not sure where I fit on your poll? Yes but I didn't know it was illegal? |
The best choice would be the first one on the poll list. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:43 am Post subject: Re: g |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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simple thought, does it seem that we (westerners) would be more opposed to doing something immoral (like giving grades) than illegal? I myself, would consider doing something illegal depending on my situation, my other dispotes, potential danger....
but if i was asked to change a grade, i would tell them to F off. |
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Well, I definately don't feel this way. I've heard all kinds of debates from profs. in graduate school who strongly feel that schools should do away with grades altogether and have a pass fail system. Although I don't entirely agree with that system, I see WHY they feel this way. Soooo I'd be much more apt to "change a grade" and it wouldn't hurt me in any way if I did so. However, breaking laws could get me in super hot water. This being said, I graduated with a 4.0 gpa in my undergrad. Too bad there isn't anything higher because I did recieve a few A+ grades..... I could feel jipped if I wanted. Just something to think about and ponder.
p.s. For those out there with fake degrees, if you don't know the difference between an undergrad. degree and a graduate degree please get of of Korea and go to college/university.... that is if you can get in. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:26 am Post subject: Re: g |
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| YoungLi wrote: |
| Soooo I'd be much more apt to "change a grade" and it wouldn't hurt me in any way if I did so. However, breaking laws could get me in super hot water. |
Self-serve much?
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| This being said, I graduated with a 4.0 gpa in my undergrad. Too bad there isn't anything higher because I did recieve a few A+ grades..... I could feel jipped if I wanted. |
(*wiping spittle from keyboard*....) Well by gawd, you was robbed, playne 'n simpul. 
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| p.s. For those out there with fake degrees, if you don't know the difference between an undergrad. degree and a graduate degree please get of of Korea and go to college/university.... that is if you can get in. |
You know, I would normally agree with that, but when such a spiteful, boastful misspeller as yourself thinks so, I've got to reconsider. 
YoungLi, imagine if you were a parent. Who would you rather have teaching your children? The teacher who doesn't have the required documents? Or, the bitter misspeller who will change students' grades so long as she thinks it won't affect her personally? Not an easy call, is it? |
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Maserial
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: The Web
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:08 am Post subject: Re: g |
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| YoungLi, imagine if you were a parent. Who would you rather have teaching your children? The teacher without all of the required documents? Or, the misspeller who changes students' grades so long as she thinks it won't affect her personally? Not an easy call, is it? |
Need it be a matter of one, or the other? Furthermore, why should educators within Korea be held to such ridiculous standards?
Take the two aforementioned aspects, mix them with the classic sensibilities of a 1950's robot, and the dynamic flair of a 1970's street pimp, and bamn! Perfect teacher.
Were you a parent, JongnoGuru, would you not entreat such a teacher to educate your child?
I think we both know the answer to that question. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: Re: g |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| YoungLi wrote: |
| Soooo I'd be much more apt to "change a grade" and it wouldn't hurt me in any way if I did so. However, breaking laws could get me in super hot water. |
Self-serve much?
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| This being said, I graduated with a 4.0 gpa in my undergrad. Too bad there isn't anything higher because I did recieve a few A+ grades..... I could feel jipped if I wanted. |
(*wiping spittle from keyboard*....) Well by gawd, you was robbed, playne 'n simpul.
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| p.s. For those out there with fake degrees, if you don't know the difference between an undergrad. degree and a graduate degree please get of of Korea and go to college/university.... that is if you can get in. |
You know, I would normally agree with that, but when such a spiteful, boastful misspeller as yourself thinks so, I've got to reconsider.
YoungLi, imagine if you were a parent. Who would you rather have teaching your children? The teacher who doesn't have the required documents? Or, the bitter misspeller who will change students' grades so long as she thinks it won't affect her personally? Not an easy call, is it? |
"misspeller" huh? That isn't even a word! LOL You mistake a simple dyslexic typo for a spelling error and judge the entire person as a "misspeller!" That is really funny, hypocritical and narrow minded. 
If I was a parent paying for my child's education, I'd want to know that my child was getting a quality education from a qualified professional rather than a fraud who deserves to be thrown out of the country. Futhermore, I'd be more concerned over the quality of my child's education than I would be over a stupid grade that probably isn't going to amount to a hill of beans "in the real world."
You are the one showing real bitterness ..... I have no reason to be bitter and I certainly don't "spit" on my computer or anything for that matter other than a tissue. I'm sorry that you hate me for EARNING my degree and having a different viewpoint. I'm sorry that you have zero tolerance for typos. I'm sorry that you judge people so unfairly and have the nerve to express the importance of ethical grading. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Maserial! What are YOU doing up at this hour??! 
If I were a parent, and that ... that thing there with the hat and yellow jacket were my kid's teacher? I think I'd smoke it! What the devil is that supposed to be? I can't tell.... |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| "to spell" is a verb, right? So "speller" is a word. Just like killer, thrower, writer. So why shouldn't "misspeller" be a word? I couldn't think of anything better to call the losers of a spelling bee. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| "to spell" is a verb, right? So "speller" is a word. Just like killer, thrower, writer. So why shouldn't "misspeller" be a word? I couldn't think of anything better to call the losers of a spelling bee. |
When students ask me such questions, I don't have to explain. I just say, "it's not proper." If I had to explain every word in the English dictionary..... . I'd be wondering why there aren't words such as, "misbehaver, misjudger, misapplyer" and so on. I'd feel real silly criticizing someone for being a "misspeller." LOL Maybe people might call me a "hypocriter." Now say, "hypocriter" with me ten times without a smile or a laugh. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: g |
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| YoungLi wrote: |
| "misspeller" huh? That isn't even a word! LOL |
Between you and me, no. It isn't. Though there are some semi-literates who seem to believe otherwise.
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| You mistake a simple dyslexic typo for a spelling error and judge the entire person as a "misspeller!" That is really funny, hypocritical and narrow minded. |
If that were carved on my tombstone, I'd consider my life's work a roaring success. (BTW, it was "jipped" that I considered the greater sin. "Recieved" is a typo I myself sometimes make. And hence, pardonable.)
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| If I was a parent paying for my child's education, I'd want to know that my child was getting a quality education from a qualified professional rather than a fraud who deserves to be thrown out of the country. |
And this is what annoys me. I'd normally agree with that, but coming from you, it just sounds so... pissy.
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| Futhermore, I'd be more concerned over the quality of my child's education than I would be over a stupid grade that probably isn't going to amount to a hill of beans "in the real world." |
Ahh, so now the grade-changing is allowed because you think it won't matter in the overall scheme of things. You see, in your earlier post you said it didn't matter because it wouldn't affect you in any adverse way. That's probably why you sounded so self-serving to me. But I understand now.
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| You are the one showing real bitterness ..... I have no reason to be bitter and I certainly don't "spit" on my computer or anything for that matter other than a tissue. |
My back has been hurting me pretty badly this past week. I was hauling and cutting railroad ties (giant lengths of wood) last weekend to make borders for some flower beds, and I think I pulled something.  That pain may be expressing itself in the form of bitterness uncharacteristic of me. I'm sorry for that, YoungLi. I'll try and watch myself from now on.
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| I'm sorry that you hate me for EARNING my degree and having a different viewpoint. I'm sorry that you have zero tolerance for typos. I'm sorry that you judge people so unfairly and have the nerve to express the importance of ethical grading. |
I definitely don't hate you. For EARNING your degree or any reason at all. My zero tolerance for typos... well, we all bear childhood scars of some sort or another, and that's mine. Judging people unfairly... Yes, I'm guilty of that sometimes. But in this case, I happen to agree with your views, and yet I find myself wanting to disagree. I'm no psychologist, but it may be a nervous reaction brought on by references to your high grade-point average and your desire that frauds be booted out of a country that isn't yours. It sounds so reasonable and just when I say things like that, but so mean and nasty when others do. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Number of Google hits for "misspeller": 20,600. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Number of Google hits for "misspeller": 20,600. |
Oh, I didn't know that "GOOGLE" was being used as a reference to determine word usage, grammar and spelling . So google is more accurate than The American Heritage�� Dictionary of the English Language?!
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/search?p=misspeller
Sorry, we have no matches for misspeller.
Did you mean misspell?
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