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[some waygug-in]

Not another faked moon landing site?

http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html


Oh but .....

[Bulsajo]

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax-jw.htm

"The purpose of this Web page is to provide refuting arguments to 'moon hoax evidence' presented at the JFKresearch Assassination Forum. The JFKresearch forum is, in essence, a platform for Jack White to present his conspiracy theories regarding the John F. Kennedy assassination. Anyone who agrees with Mr. White's opinions is welcomed to participate in the discussions. However, anyone who disagrees too vehemently with Mr. White is typically banned from the forum.

In 2002 Jack White decided to turn his attention to the alleged Moon landing hoax and used the JFKresearch forum to present his evidence. Joined by Bill Dines, the two men made numerous posts to the forum alleging that photographs from the Apollo lunar landing missions of 1969-72 had been faked. One of the forum members, Jim Bartlett, asked me to intercede on his behalf and refute the claims being presented on the forum.

I had gained 'read only' membership to the forum and had my responses to the alleged evidence posted by Mr. Bartlett. After several of my refutations had been posted, Mr. Bartlett was informed that my participation in the discussion was no longer welcomed. The excuse given was that I apparently was not a JFK assassination researcher, thus I was not permitted to post to the forum. I find this ironic given that no one on the forum was discussing the JFK assassination at the time of my banishment.

This Web page was established to complete what I had started, that is, to refute the claims of Jack White and Bill Dines. Mr. Bartlett was kind enough to post a link to this site on the JFKresearch forum for those persons interested in reading a dissenting viewpoint. Originally created in April 2002 for members of the JFKresearch forum, this page received an upgrade in January 2004 to make it more appealing to other readers. Below you will find my original 2002 refutations along with comments added in 2004. "

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

"On February 15, 2001 the FOX television network aired a program titled Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land On The Moon? This program showed alleged evidence that NASA faked the moon landings. This hoax theory has been around for several years, but this is the first time it has been presented to such a wide audience. Since this Website, Rocket and Space Technology, is dedicated to the men and women who brought the moon landings to fruition, I feel the time is right for me to speak out on this topic.

This TV program capitalizes on America's fixation with government conspiracies by sensationalizing the notion that NASA perpetrated a multi-billion dollar hoax on the world. In my opinion, the FOX network acted irresponsibly by airing this program. What they produced is a TV show filled with sloppy research, scientific inaccuracies and erroneous conclusions. To support such a absurd theory and to cast doubt in the minds of the American public is an insult to the courage of the astronauts and the brilliance of the engineers who worked to achieve mankind's greatest technological feat. FOX is apparently only concerned with ratings while exhibiting total disregard for the integrity of America's true heroes.

Some of the most prominent advocates of the hoax theory are Bill Kaysing, author of We Never Went To The Moon, Ralph Rene, author of NASA Mooned America, David Percy and Mary Bennett, co-authors of Dark Moon: Apollo and the Whistle Blowers and, more recently, Bart Sibrel, producer of A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon. These people, and other hoax advocates, usually point to alleged anomalies in the Apollo photo and video record as evidence of their claims. The FOX program featured many of these claims while providing very little refuting evidence or testimony. Below are my comments refuting both the evidence presented in the TV program and many other common hoax allegations. I invite you to draw your own conclusions, but I suspect you will find the facts speak for themselves. "

[some waygug-in]

And Jack's response to the critics:

http://www.aulis.com/nasa6.htm

Even I can see that some of the information on the "debunking site" is false.

Check out their explanation for the "size of the mountain" .

At first glance, what they say seems to make sense, but look at the pictures closely. How could the the lunar module appear so large when the mountain is farther away?

I am puzzled by this.


Look at the rock to the right and behind the LM. Why is it the same size in both pictures? Something doesn't add up.

[Bulsajo]

[some waygug-in]

Hmm.

So what do you think of this then?

"If some of the film was spoiled, it's remotely possible they [NASA] may have shot some scenes in a studio environment to avoid embarrassment."

Dr Brian O'Leary, astronaut


So perhaps they went to the moon, but made some fake footage because the real stuff was destroyed?


And contrary to your claim that there is no other evidence:

What's this?


For over five years two independent video producers have been researching the Apollo record. These two researchers, David Percy and Bart Sibrel working in Europe and the USA respectively, both received an extraordinary videotape of raw material from NASA.

The front up caption on the video reads:

This film of the Apollo 11 Mission
was produced
as a report film by
THE MANNED SPACECRAFT CENTER
and is not
for general public distribution
This footage, originally recorded on Ampex VR 1100/660 video machines at the Apollo Station, Goldstone, California—purporting to be live TV transmissions from the craft on the way to the Moon—is clearly dated by NASA 18, 19 & 20 July 1969.

On this tape are a number of ��behind-the-scenes�� sequences from the CSM, accompanied by audio relayed from both Goldstone and Mission Control in Houston instructing the crew as to when to say their lines. These prompts were never intended to be heard by the public, nor were the contrived shots of the Earth from the craft��s window ever intended to be viewed by the public in such a raw, unedited state.

If Apollo 11 was really on its way to the Moon why were the three crew members apparently staging segments of their journey?

Evidence contained in this revealing footage strongly suggests that this mission was only in low Earth orbit on the dates in question and not travelling to the Moon at all.

[Bulsajo]

[some waygug-in]

I can't find a site that works. Maybe you can make it work.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/11/46333.html

There are several sites that perport to have the video on-line, but I can't make any of them work.

[Bulsajo]

So it was just too much of an effort to post the other urls of the other video sites you couldn't get to work?

[some waygug-in]

http://www.moontruth.com/clips/moontruth.mpg

Here's another:

http://www.milkandcookies.com/keywords/moonlanding

I can't get any of them to work. I can find 2 sites that claim this video/film was made as a practical joke, yet on both sites the video is blocked.

[some waygug-in]

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/moontruth.php

[some waygug-in]

and something else you might like:

http://www.geocities.com/apolloreality/

and another:

http://moonmovie.com/moonmovie/

[Red]

I tell yah, the internet gave us goatse, and the Star Wars kid as major acheivements. How could anyone question the reliability of the people using it?

[Rteacher]

I noted this before on an earlier thread, but I think it's worth repeating since the question has been raised why nobody directly involved with the Apollo moon project admits to it being staged.

When I worked as an extra on Armaggedon I happened to be seated on the bus going to the launch pad right behind the film's chief technical advisor (a former NASA/Gruman high-level techie of some sort) who flatly stated that there are some former Gruman employees who are convinced that the moon landing footage was filmed at a simulation chambor on the roof of some hangar at Gruman... I recall being surprised that he brought the subject up and didn't refute it at all...

[Bulsajo]

I have yet to see a video, anyone else?
And I'm doubtful the video matters at all anyway.

[some waygug-in]

http://moonmovie.com/moonmovie/default.asp?ID=12

I am Bart Sibrel, the writer, producer, director of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, a controversial documentary which questions the authenticity of the manned moon landings over thirty years ago. As an investigative journalist I spent five years and $500,000 researching this topic which seems, on the surface, to be completely ludicrous. Then I came upon a highly credible source, in his late seventies, who I verified worked for the space program during the 1960s. He asserted, most confidently, that the Apollo moon landings were first, impossible, and second, falsified as a Cold War tactic to bluff the Soviet Union into thinking the United States had greater capability than it really did.

I discovered that the highest ranking official at NASA resigned, without explanation, just days before the first Apollo mission. All three crew members of the first historic flight also resigned shortly thereafter. Aside from the initial press conference immediately following the event, Neil Armstrong has not given a single interview on the subject, in print or on camera, to anyone . . . ever! Some photography allegedly from the moon contains shadows that intersect with each other. (NASA claims that only sunlight was used and the sun always casts parallel shadows.)



You may be right. This could all be a scam to sell videos. But why would a guy risk all the anger and hatred that this issue generates just to sell a few videos? If he were in it for the money, there are a lot more lucrative ways to make money.


Here is the FAQ page from the above site. Read through it. See what you think.

http://216.26.168.193/moonmovie/default.asp?ID=8