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low level students and the "Z" sound
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject: low level students and the "Z" sound Reply with quote

anyone have any tips and tricks for the "Z" sound, i have a couple students that seem incapable of getting it...

thanks
chaz
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bring in the electric shaver and we take turns shaving with the power off
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Works like a charm.

DD

every kid wants to be able to shave...
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deessell



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Z is Zebra

S is snake

Then exaggerate the sounds.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, S is for a snake that says "ssssssssssssssssssssss....." (tongue "fthoop" tongue "fthoop")

Z i don't know but I make the sound long enough that they can hear it "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzoo" "zzzzzzzzzebra" and so on. "Zipper" is probably the best pnemonic device as it makes a vaguely Z-like noise.
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Ekuboko



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have them make the /s/ sound, holding two fingers to their throat.
Then have them make the same sound, but voiced, i.e. /z/ -- they should feel vibration through their fingers at their throat.

Have them alternate between /s/ and /z/, so that they feel how the position of their lips, tongue and teeth do not change - just that you add voice for one sound and not the other. Then practice with whole words (remember to do start as well as middle/ending sounds, e.g. not only zebra and zing; but organization; crazy too.) You could make up fun tongue twister-type sentences with these sounds as well to challenge them and keep it fun.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the middle/ending "s" examples, make sure you use ones that are actually pronounced as "s". The ones in "loser", "phase", and "keys" are pronouced as "z".
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n3ptne



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
ZEE
ZEE
ZEE
ZEE

repeat, works like a charm... my hardest sound is TH... gotta stick my tongue out and say, with it out "uu put ya tung ona top of ur mouf and go" THHHHHA.... THHHHHHA...
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once told to ask them what sound a bee makes.

That one crashed and burned pretty fast.
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andrew



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last edited by andrew on Tue May 05, 2009 12:20 pm; edited 1 time in total
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh, j for z.

Easy fix though. Korean kids have no trouble with terminal z just initial z. Have them go buzzz--zoo & buzzz--zipper a few times. They get it.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ekuboko wrote:
Have them make the /s/ sound, holding two fingers to their throat.
Then have them make the same sound, but voiced, i.e. /z/ -- they should feel vibration through their fingers at their throat.

Have them alternate between /s/ and /z/, so that they feel how the position of their lips, tongue and teeth do not change - just that you add voice for one sound and not the other. Then practice with whole words (remember to do start as well as middle/ending sounds, e.g. not only zebra and zing; but organization; crazy too.) You could make up fun tongue twister-type sentences with these sounds as well to challenge them and keep it fun.


Damn, I hadn't thought of that. I've tried all of the other tactics mentioned in this thread with absolutely zero success (bujjjjjjjjj), but I think this might work. S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika!
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Ekuboko



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika!

No, /h/ is the aspirated sound, as is history and Helen (but not hour).

/s/ is unvoiced (or voiceless) and /z/ is voiced.
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Chonbuk



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also get them to put their fingers on my/their throats to feel for the sound.

I go around and touch their throats also for the ones that are struggling.

It works like a charm.

One of the problems is that they do zzzz, and than stop and make a 'j' sound.....

tell them to continue with the zzzz buzz.


Th- are by far the hardest- I have them out stick their tongues out likes snakes....


Koreans will do it much easier than Arabic and Indian students.....


I think the giggle is the best part of teaching Pronunciation.


Also, anybody try to use the Do, Re, Mi scale....

I have had success with it, but my singing voice sucks.


hmm-


Chonbuk
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Pangit



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ekuboko wrote:
Qinella wrote:
S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika!

No, /h/ is the aspirated sound, as is history and Helen (but not hour).

/s/ is unvoiced (or voiceless) and /z/ is voiced.


Actually, /h/ is the glottal fricative. You're right about /z/ being voiced, but /s/ and /z/ are the voiceless and voiced alveolar fricatives.

Aspiration occurs with plosives, mostly, like /d/, /t/ and /p/, but aspiration is not a primary manner of articulation, nor does it indicate voice. It refers to a tertiary sound made using the breath after plosion. An aspirated /t/, for example, has some breath coming out after it. /h/ does not involve plosion, thus it can't be aspirated.

Nonetheless, you're absolutely right about how to teach /s/ and /z/. Differentiation must be made between the /s/ and /z/ sounds by not using and using voice. Just make the /s/ sound and then turn the voice off and on.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ekuboko wrote:
Qinella wrote:
S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika!

No, /h/ is the aspirated sound, as is history and Helen (but not hour).

/s/ is unvoiced (or voiceless) and /z/ is voiced.


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