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Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: SECOND NOTICE

SECOND NOTICE --- n3ptne :

"Please cite one reputable dictionary of the English language that agrees with you regarding the number of syllables in "wanna."

desultude · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: SECOND NOTICE

Wrench · Joined: 07 Apr 2005

I gave up on trying to teach. I just do what they tell me too. They are happy I am happy its all good.

Uhm I didn't even know wanna is a legit word I thought it was slang but apparently it is a word. I don't know about you but I still prefer using want.

desultude · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:

baldrick · Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: Location, Location

So where is the OP all of a sudden?
I am awaiting a response....as are others.
The words tounge and cat spring to mind.

the_beaver · Joined: 15 Jan 2003

n3ptne · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City

Yeh so I went on a Soju bender and celebrated Halloween with my kids... wow are they crazy.

Wanna is, in the spirit of what a syllable is, one syllable when pronounced in such a fashion as "I wanna get drunk". Sorry, but it is, but like I previously said, I see the conceptual arguement that exists for it as two syllables.... just "sounds" like one when said in a natural context. Want a citation? Me baby.. me.

Anyway, your reference letter? Let me tell you about mine... I never took a single education class, nor did I ever teach a single class before coming here. I have two letters of reference, both written in Korean. One is from someone who taught here for over twenty years and was the director of the Pearl S. Buck foundation (he holds 5 MA's and 2 phd's), the other is from my aunt who's been living here for thirty years. My third letter is from a professor. They're all BS... if you think reading doesnt teach the language you are an idiot and can't be a good teacher, I dont mean this offensively, but tis true. On top of that my bosses' say I'm the best teacher they've ever had. One month into this gig, I can read Korean perfectly, have good pronounciation... just don't know waht anything means. Still working on that part, all I know is that my free talking sessions are in high demand and they want me to work saturdays, more than happy to do so, get bored on the weekends and honestly miss working. Why? We read books and its good fun.

I don't have time for this thread, I've made my complaints known. I dont know how the educational system here has failed on so many levels. I spent my entire academic career hating teachers only to find myself becoming one. Why? Because teacher ssuck and dont know a god damn thing when it comesto the subject matter they are covering.

Anyway... the entire system needs to be revamped. Its the only way anyone is ever going to learn how to speak English, which to my knowledge... is kind of part of the job description. You dont agree? Fine, but this bitch-est has been concluded. I will say though that all of you, every single one of you teachers, make far more than your korean counterparts in terms of salary... and honestly you do nothing, you're just a tape recorder with a suit (assuming you are classy enough to wear one). You live well, very well, compared to the society you live in... and most of you don't do a god damn thing to improve the system you a part of. Thats just a fact. Maybe i'm not talking about you, maybe I am... beeeotch.

Soju is great, mo' drinks!

desultude · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject:

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

n3ptne,

I was hesitating to reply because only experience will probably teach you. But I will say it anyway for the sake of clarity. 1. You have to learn to look outside yourself, your own assertions and your own universe. IN REGARDS TO MANY THINGS but especially tolerance and language. Language is something infinitely malleable -- alive. It does not fit into theories, it does not listen to commands or obey laws. What works here is dross there......Reading is a tool. Just one way to make the mind turn over and spin. Consciousness is the key to language, the inner not the outer. A book, the outer, is just a tool. Literacy is very very new to the world -- it has accomplished much and should be part of all language learning. BUT it isn't the essential ingredient of language, or language learning.....The Greeks taught languages for centuries without reading......it is but a tool.

2. A collolary to the above. I think there are two kinds of teachers. Some teach subjects. Some teach students. As we learn, we move to the latter.........as should you.

DD

" inspiration is cheap, rest assured of that. Only conflict, arguement, friction, stress, pain, may produce a result. " G.I. Gurdjieff

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: Failed

n3ptne wrote:

"Want a citation? Me baby.. me."

The key words in my request were "dictionary" and "reputable."

You failed to deliver on either count.

This was not a surprise of epic proportions.

The same is true of your admission that you "never took a single education class:" Rolling Eyes

Maserial · Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Location: The Web

baldrick · Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: Location, Location

Theres one thing no one likes, and thats a big headed know it all.

n3pte wrote:

babtangee · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:

Being a writing major, I have come to accept the utter embarrassment my peers can at times set upon the rest of us wan/na-be writers who were stupid enough to go to uni to learn how to write. It seems many of us learned nothing more than how to be pretentions wan/na-be writers.

While there are many things I have read in this thread that make me shake my head - especially when such pompous, speculative crap is justified with "I'm a writing major" (WHOOPIE-DOO!!!), I am surprised no one else has mentioned the thread's title:

"a writers perspective... "

what a disgrace.

desultude · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:13 am Post subject:

Old fat expat · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject:

Wanted to respond to this before, but I have been busy designing an assessment that has internal, external, content, and statistical validity. Apparently a waste of my time as all I really needed to do was hand my students Dr Seuss. Don��t get me wrong, there is a lot of benefits to be found in Dr Seuss, but clearly in3ptitune has yet to sort the wheat from the chaff.
What in3ptitune has failed to understand is that language is the most complex behavior humans have (see Skinner, 1957); and as communication as done by humans is not achieved at anywhere the same levels by other animals, language is the most complex of all behaviors. Reading a few books just won��t do it.
As for pronunciation, in3ptitune has missed the boat here as well. Some time studying phonetics, phonics, and phonological awareness may lead him to re-evaluate his position. But most of us are aware this is not likely to happen as in3ptitune cannot admit his mistake at being unable to count to 2 regarding syllables.
As for his perceived success; we call that experimenter bias. There are also the issues of acquisition vs. retention, generalization, and fluency. Lots of technical terms here, but why bother understanding them. Teaching a language is easy; buy a couple of childrens books and away you go. Jerk.