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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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The current events forum is *beep* stupid |
I totally agree. never seen anybody change their opinions or viewpoint on here, even if proved wrong and in the face of overwhelming evidence. Theres hardly any point researching or backing your arguments up as nobody reads links here either. And you can always find a way to avoid admitting you're wrong. insane.
I just debate on here for the sake of researching topics I happen to be interested in.
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| What the hell is a traditional family? |
See? nobody even knows what one is anymore. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
The current events forum is *beep* stupid |
I totally agree. never seen anybody change their opinions or viewpoint on here, even if proved wrong and in the face of overwhelming evidence. Theres hardly any point researching or backing your arguments up as nobody reads links here either. And you can always find a way to avoid admitting you're wrong. insane.
I just debate on here for the sake of researching topics I happen to be interested in. |
I agree and good idea.
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| What the hell is a traditional family? |
See? nobody even knows what one is anymore. |
Good one. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| What the hell is a traditional family? |
Traditional Family-n.- A family consisting of a father (male), a mother (female), a son (male), and a daughter (female). They should be solid, stable, and God-fearing. They should attend church regularly.
The father should work a 9-5 job to support the family. He shold drive a sedan and carry a briefcase. He should teach a local Sunday school class and lead the Boy Scout troop. He should also have sex with his secretary and have a small bagie of blow with him at all times.
The mother should stay at home. She should carry the kids to their athletic meetings and practices, have dinner ready when the father gets home, and be fully dressed and ready to go to the wife-swapping party later that night.
The son should play sports and play with guns as a show of his manhood. He should be a good student and use the words "gee" and "swell" often. He should date the head cheerleader. He should also bang that cheerleader by getting her wasted and sleeping with her while she is passed out, taking pictures for his friends to see.
The daughter should be pretty. That is the only job that a daughter in the traditional family should have. She should also perform oral sex for shopping money and expirement with homosexuality at least 25 times.
Hope this helps.
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| It's as likely that this behavior is caused by the subgroup of assholes who hold a low view of males from single parents homes as anything else. |
Yes, if only people didn't stigmatise single mothers there wouldn't be rampant crime in society. What total bollocks.
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| As well, is the increase of crime due to a difference in reporting methods or more crime? |
According to police recorded crime in the UK, which has not changed its methods since the 19th C, robbery and buglary have increased massively since the 1950s. When you take into account the fact that many people these days simply do not report such crime, due to the low likelihood of the suspects being caught, the rise in crime is likely to be even higher. Moreover, talking to any old people in London, they will tell you that when they were younger, people did walk the streets at night, kids did not mindlessly vandalise buildings and that crime was fairly rare. Now there are many parts of London where you do not want to be walking around after dark. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, if only people didn't stigmatise single mothers there wouldn't be rampant crime in society. What total bollocks. |
Logical phallacy (pun based on the workings of your cranium).
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| According to police recorded crime in the UK, which has not changed its methods since the 19th C, robbery and buglary have increased massively since the 1950s. When you take into account the fact that many people these days simply do not report such crime, due to the low likelihood of the suspects being caught, the rise in crime is likely to be even higher. Moreover, talking to any old people in London, they will tell you that when they were younger, people did walk the streets at night, kids did not mindlessly vandalise buildings and that crime was fairly rare. Now there are many parts of London where you do not want to be walking around after dark. |
Except, of course, that Victorian London was a hotbed of crime due, in no small part, to the segregation of the rich and poor. The divide between west and east London and St. Giles was not safe in the 1700s on. Prostitutes and johns had sex in the streets and syphilis was rampant. Dickens lightly touched this aspect of London with Oliver Twist.
Now, generally I believe that old people are right about everything because age automatically leads to wisdom and I have no reason to disbelieve that my father walked uphill to school both ways, but the crime rate jumped immediately in post world war II London so I'm thinking that your old folks are a little weak upstairs.
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi, I'm back. I don't have internet at home any longer. I think I should reply to something. I feel the thread was hijacked but I responded and then then thread got off even worse.
I was picking on liberals, then it turned to race hate.
Liberal issue - if you find a like collection of facts that I put in the OP, post it.
Ethnic crime is real and I'm tired of it, enough to worry at the least and at the most, flee. Later on, I may very well fight. Those immigants that are coming to Europe? Those are death camp guards. All of these groups have greivences. Muslims hate White people since they have been oppressing Muslims since the birth of Islam and Blacks hate Whites because of 700 years of slavery.
How does one make up for 700 years of slavery? I would think that all white people must be slaves for 700 years plus 200 years for interest plus Whites must submit all material wealth to Black people. The women will be prized as status symbols but the men will pick cotton and be whipped and the bought and sold at slave auctions. That seems very fair to me. Untill this happens every Black person has an excuse to perform violence against White people and they have have an excuse to do the dumbest things imaginable.
I don't value diversity. I can understand people but diveristy is a bizare racial racial theory much akin to the Naz's racial fetish. There really is a race scientist in London trying to Frankenstien together the perfect racial human. Of course they do this on the backs of the nice docile White people who deserve to be exterminated anyway.
Multiculturalists are such parasites. They carpet bag to the nicest places. I challenge them to go to a hell hole and make things riight. But no, there aren't any clubs or good cafe's in Mogadishu. Yea, forget that.
I don't like Latins in the US. Latin culture is horribly corrupt. I can say this without being racist because Argentina is a majority White nation and its pretty messed up. Argentina should do much better since they are White but they just embarass me.
Layering is happening in The US. Asians get A's, Whites B's, Hispanics, C & D's, Blacks D & F's. This was my initial complaint with McCultism, some cultures excel in certain areas and my next complaint was this stupid wall of race/culture I keep having to navigate.
Self assessment is not a Latin trait. When Latin's don't do well they don't say "we need to do better in school". They routinely claim oppression. That means they call White people racist, again.
There should be enough offensive fodder for many of you. Give me something specific and I'll reply to it. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| The reason for the question was I found myself absolutely stunned you could have so little knowledge of sociology and psychology. |
Are you a trained psychologist / sociologist? If not, then you don't know any more about those two fields than anybody else on this board. |
You are just full of illogical statements. First, you have no way of knowing how much I know on these subjects *regardless* of training. The very fact you think training in and of itself equals knowledge, insight and understanding speaks volumes of what you do (or don't) know. Second, the illogical assumption that all people who are *not* trained psychologists have equal knowledge, understanding and insight is also not a logical statement. Third, I *do*, in fact, have training in psychology and worked in the field for three years. Never had a co-worker or supervisor challenge my ability or knowledge, thank you very much.
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| Anyway, your troll remark was part of your response to my post challenging HD's belief that violent crime is a result of economic downturns. So you lumped your opinion in with his. Take greater pains, my friend. |
My response was non-specific, which is my fault. But you were still making an assumption as opposed to asking for a clarification THEN commenting. You see, I asked for clarification, but you took it as an insult. Another assumption. Others are postin on the crime issue, so no need to point out how absolutely wrong you are on *that* front.
Class over. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: |
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http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/recordedCrimePer100k1898-2003.htm
The link clearly shows the massive increase in recorded crime since the 1950s.
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| Except, of course, that Victorian London was a hotbed of crime due |
You are making this assumption on the basis of Oliver Twist. Sorry, but that does not count as evidence. Moreover, there was real poverty and destitution in Victorian Britain, which probably did lead to high crime levels. However, in reference to the link provided, how do you account for such a massive increase in recorded crime when at the same time living standards have increased massively, and people are provided with the basics of life, free of charge. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| how do you account for such a massive increase in recorded crime when at the same time living standards have increased massively, and people are provided with the basics of life, free of charge. |
Conservatives.
duh |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| You can't, just as I thought. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| You can't, just as I thought. |
Well, I could mention the decline of industrialization as a central part of life and the growing resentment of individuals in developed nations as they reject chasing cheese in the factory. I could point out the hippy explosion of the 60s and the anti-establishment attitude that has pervaded society since the beatniks points to a change in industrial society. Further, that manufacturing jobs are becoming more scarce in first world nations and communication is ubiquitous and life seems a whole lot different now than it was 5, 10 and especially 50 years ago. That the world is constantly changing and an increase in crime could be due to increased violence on TV, psychological reaction to living together in tightly packed cities, increased leisure time leading to boredom, gremlins, or improperly-fitted condoms.
But why would I offer any explanations? Even experts can't pinpoint a cause and I seriously doubt that you'll take time off from licking your prostrate to consider anything but your own view. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Beav's right. Trying to argue that this or that is *the* cause only indicates the desire to make the facts fit your agenda. There is no one cause; the causes are myriad. The only question really worthwhile is which are *most* causal. Problem is, that is an unanswerable question. But we can do a little guestimating in the hope of creating effective public policy. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Beav's right. Trying to argue that this or that is *the* cause only indicates the desire to make the facts fit your agenda. There is no one cause; the causes are myriad. The only question really worthwhile is which are *most* causal. Problem is, that is an unanswerable question. But we can do a little guestimating in the hope of creating effective public policy. |
One of those rare times where I read one of your posts and think, "Well done." |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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| The reason for the question was I found myself absolutely stunned you could have so little knowledge of sociology and psychology. |
Are you a trained psychologist / sociologist? If not, then you don't know any more about those two fields than anybody else on this board. |
You are just full of illogical statements. First, you have no way of knowing how much I know on these subjects *regardless* of training. The very fact you think training in and of itself equals knowledge, insight and understanding speaks volumes of what you do (or don't) know. Second, the illogical assumption that all people who are *not* trained psychologists have equal knowledge, understanding and insight is also not a logical statement. Third, I *do*, in fact, have training in psychology and worked in the field for three years. Never had a co-worker or supervisor challenge my ability or knowledge, thank you very much.
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| Anyway, your troll remark was part of your response to my post challenging HD's belief that violent crime is a result of economic downturns. So you lumped your opinion in with his. Take greater pains, my friend. |
My response was non-specific, which is my fault. But you were still making an assumption as opposed to asking for a clarification THEN commenting. You see, I asked for clarification, but you took it as an insult. Another assumption. Others are postin on the crime issue, so no need to point out how absolutely wrong you are on *that* front.
Class over. |
So, I guess you're not "absolutely stunned" at my lack of expertise in psychology, after all.
And since you're such an expert on psychology, I have a question for you if you don't mind: Which is crime is more devasting, psychologically, to a family?
a) a sudden unemployment (due to some white-collar shennanagins) of its middle-aged breadwinner...or
b) a brutal rape and murder of the youngest child
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| So, I guess you're not "absolutely stunned" at my lack of expertise in psychology, after all. |
Actually, I still am. This is common knowledge-level stuff, after all. |
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