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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: ethics, family, moral development, etc. |
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I can come up with my own reasoned justification for my actions. Briefly, I will draw upon the work of L. Kohlberg. He is famous for making stages of moral development.
From wikipedia:
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you live your life by other peoples views! fine!! you do that..
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"Men earn the money. Women do other work." Not my values per se, but society's values. I happen to be following society's values by earning money. Thus, my actions are moral and ethical.
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WOW!!! womans place is in the kitchen huh.. man the hits just keep on coming!!!
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| Define 'real father' and then we can get started on dispelling any illusions you might have about my life. Even though it's none of your business. |
someone who is there for his kids emotional, someone who is there to tuck them in at night, and let them know that daddy is always here!
not a father who creates instablity in the childs mind, wondering if daddy is gonna be with us or not. you put doubt!
children who grow up without a father are more likely to:
Suffer deprivation
Suffer ill health
Be unpopular and in trouble at school
Be excluded from school or leave early
Suffer physical and sexual abuse
Run away from home
Drink, smoke, take drugs
Become young offenders
Have unprotected sex
Become teenage parents
sending home a paycheck doesnt merit your actions..
NOW I am not just debating you here. I am talking about your ACTIONS
your actions are on debate here, the life you have chosen! you are not alone on this road.. many korean fathers do it too..
they are called - gi ryo ge appa- and their actions are often criticised in public also..
who gets effected in all this .. THE CHILDREN!!
parents are selfish, its a fact!
now if you are a one off thing, just here for 1 year to save alittle money, get the teaching cert and head back to your family, then your actions have some merit, but if you are here becuase you rather living here alone, away from your family, and just prefer to send paychecks home then.. NO!!...
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endure a lot. But my contract is almost over. I am free to renegotiate soon. I see no problem here, so I am not sure what your point is. As usual.
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so you will let your kids and wife endure another year without a husband and father! wow.. emtionally your wife is starved! and your children being young and forgiving will be ok.. in your views..
but your wife, a woman with sexual needs, loving needs, doesnt get SQUAT from you.. and you are gonna sign another year? becuase two years teaching experience in a hakwon will help you land a job?
why didnt you just do a tefl or celt couse or something else! back in california!!?? to save money!?
you mentioned your wife is a teacher.. why didnt you both come here and save together and be a family!! again your views dont come to reason with your actions.. before you said, if my wife was dead I would bring them here, but you talk about about saving money in korea vs USA, doesnt make scense if you are after money and experience!!
you can save much more money, and be together as a family if you came together !
you really think 2 years in a hakwon is gonna secure you a job back home? ohh I think teaching cert will go further than 2 years on your resume in your hakwon.
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| I am married. But, by all means, share with us your wisdom on the topic |
here you go.. from your bible!! wikipedia!
"Marriage is the institution through which people join together their lives in emotional and economic ways through forming a household. It often confers rights and obligations with respect to raising children, holding property, sexual behavior, kinship ties, tribal membership, relationship to society, inheritance, emotional intimacy, and love."
are you living a true married life? should the whole world follow your views on marriage? or the proper views? which do you think is better?
your way or the other way?
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You are the proper judge to weigh such things? Why? You don't know me from Adam.
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since when does someone need to know somebody to judge their actions?
this happens everyday in society! you should read a newspaper sometime!
you dont know GWB from ADAM but you sure do have an opinion on him!
you think he is low, ignorant, and a terrible president, where I dont share your views, I think he is one of the best men to step in the oval office since REAGAN..
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As I mentioned before, you aren't the Grand Inquisitor, and this isn't the Spanish Inquisition. What is not clear about this simple statement? What part of "mind your own f'ing business" don't you understand?
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it hurts when you know you are wrong, as I said, I am not attacking you Forsay, but questioning your views! get it! dont lose your temper! this is only a debate! please calm down..
if you cant handle it, then say so..
and I will stop..
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I already told you this was a story not about 'CAN'T' but rather of making decisions for myself. I made a decision. Is there anything unclear about this?
Why must ethics come into this situation? |
Because .ohhhhhhhh thats right, you are an atheist!!! DAMN! agnostic, atheist, samething really..still many ignorant people (atheists, agnostics), do have ethics.
without ethics, where would human life be!!
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| My views are your business? Why? |
if you know someone who was abusing his children and he justified it by his views, would you do something?
ETHICS! you should call social services!
your view, close the window and let that mam live his life! the way he sees it!
NOT saying you beat your children OK!!
saying if other people didnt care, then social norms as we know it would be caos wouldnt it..
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I talk to them twice a week or more on the phone. Additionally, my wife is with them. So, while they may miss they father, they have not been abandoned. Had my wife not been alive when I left, I would've taken them to Korea. Since my wife has a job teaching in California, she stayed. And there, she tends the children. My parents are there to see the children. My wife's family is also there to see them, so the emotional loss they feel is lessened by the fact that they are otherwise in capable, caring hands.
I do feel bad for them, for myself, and not a little guilty. But, since I have a working forebrain, my abstract notion of what is right and wrong gets to make my body go forward, not my reptilian brain. |
you sound like Joseph Smith Jr., the founder and father of the Mormon religion, received another revelation on Celestial marraige. Smith justified this new revelation by citing the example of Abraham and Jacob. Smith said that polygamous marriage guaranteed men more virgins in the celestial heaven. Wives would have to consent to more polygamous marriages but they would be "damned" if they did not consent.
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I am working for social justice, by working in the field of education. Thus, my actions are moral and ethical.
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teachers abuse children all the time!
your code of ethics are not moral, so how can you be a good role model for children?
you find justifying causes in your actions, which dont MERIT social norms
you used a word before
shibboleth
does that make it ok . becuase you are different?
Freedom is a wonderful thing, to bad so many people abuse its rights!
ethically wrong? to a serial killer if you ask him what he did was ethically wrong! he would say NO! becuase he justified his actions!
just as you have! so you see no fault in your actions.. so its impossible for this debate to continue about family ethics becuase you have made up your mind..and see no fault.. but social services, child psycologist, most parents in the world will see, your actions are not correct, but its your life and your life only! so you live it the way you chose. and you are free to do that! no one will stop you.. morally you are wrong! ethically you are wrong. in todays society as we know it..
but hey! so be it!! to each his own hey as you believe ..
regarding bush!
why do you care so much!! since when has any president ever done anything right... please list me one president in the history of America where one has done a perfect job..
bush is in his second term!! PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM! WHY???
why did 150million Americans vote for W?? for the second time!!!
becuase he is doing a good job! sure he is not the greatest speaker!
but I have told you.. actions speak louder than words!
you think bush runs the country???
you think he has all this power???
mate you have lots to learn!! bush is nothing more than a puppet!
people behind bush, congress have power , they make the final calls!
I am not a politician or know that much about politics, but I do know
BUSH is not he mastermind and works alone!
No Child Left Behind I think bush is doing a great job with it..
has some faults right now, but they are working it out..
the war in IRAQ , well every war is a mistake buts its a reality!
and I back bush! and I back the war.. of course I wish there was no war, but there is , but America has spoken!
you cant just pack up and head home now.. must finish the task at hand!
if its for oil!!!?? as your say.. well thats how it is.. I dont think you or most of the world will be complaining where the oil came from once its in the cars and you are driving home for the holidays!
turn a blind eye so to speak! |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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and believe it or NOT! I TEACH ALSO!! hahhaha can you believe that???
hahahaha yeah I know poor students!! and I charge 80.000 an hour!
and I get it!!!! hahahahahhah
and thats just my English businesses! |
I guess if you have no compunction about scamming your students... |
leonardo dicaprio gets 20million dollars for his movie!! is he scamming the public?
lawyers charge from 300 -over thousands of dollars an hour are they scamming the public?
brittany spears has pocketed over 100million dollars! can she sing??
hakwons charge over 150.000 a month for twice lessons with natives.
are the hakwons scamming the mothers?
starbucks is charging 4500 for a grande mocha!! are scamming the public?
NIKE! the list goes on and on!!!
dont talk to me about business ethics ok! are you worth 2000dollars a month with free airfare, housing, and severance? for what???
baby sitting children on a hakwon!!!
GET REAL!!
you too are involved in a scam!! |
Just answer the question: Do you really think you are qualified to do private lessons at 80k a pop? Further, do you have the legal right to do so? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:41 am Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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and believe it or NOT! I TEACH ALSO!! hahhaha can you believe that???
hahahaha yeah I know poor students!! and I charge 80.000 an hour!
and I get it!!!! hahahahahhah
and thats just my English businesses! |
I guess if you have no compunction about scamming your students... |
leonardo dicaprio gets 20million dollars for his movie!! is he scamming the public?
lawyers charge from 300 -over thousands of dollars an hour are they scamming the public?
brittany spears has pocketed over 100million dollars! can she sing??
hakwons charge over 150.000 a month for twice lessons with natives.
are the hakwons scamming the mothers?
starbucks is charging 4500 for a grande mocha!! are scamming the public?
NIKE! the list goes on and on!!!
dont talk to me about business ethics ok! are you worth 2000dollars a month with free airfare, housing, and severance? for what???
baby sitting children on a hakwon!!!
GET REAL!!
you too are involved in a scam!! |
Just answer the question: Do you really think you are qualified to do private lessons at 80k a pop? Further, do you have the legal right to do so? |
what part of the answer didnt you understand?
QUALIFIED? is a geologist, biologist, computer science major qualified to teach EFL?
buddy!! I milk the system as the system milks me!!
I know how to manipulate the system to my advantage!
why should I accept 30-40.000 an hour from a recruiter who is making 100.000 won from the class anyway???
so through my recruiting company I sell myself for the whole payment!
I charge a company class 80-100.000 a class.. and I teach it myself so I get the whole amount! whats wrong with that??
the students are still saving money! seeing that its 10.000 an hour!!
thats what they would pay at a hakwon anyway. and most companies pay half the bill.. so actually they are only paying 5000won an hour for a native to come to their office, pretty good deal really..
recruiters do it everyday! only difference is.. they prey on noobs who will take 30-40.000 and they will take 60-70 for doing nothing an hour..
QUALIFIED!!????
if all the unqualified ESL teachers left korea I think maybe 5% will be left!
is your hakwon boss qualified to run a school? does he even speak ENGLISH???
does he even know about education?
qualified!! HA!
IM qualified in the art of making money in korea with this HO game we live !!! and thats all I care about!!
Teaching in korea is 80% entertainment!!
IM A PIMP! not an ESLSLUT! although I have bent over a few times!!
oh and do I think I am qualified to teach? .. NO! I am not!
but I get the job done!!
its like a chef and a cook! in this case im the cook! but I get paid like a chef! the patrons still get their food on the table! might not be as well presented or taste as good , but its hot and fills the gap!
look around the world today!! so many people are in positions not becuase they are qualified! becuase they went out there and found the job! how many peole are in positions becuase they know someone! but are not qualified! it happens everyday! why is it any different when I do it!?
dont be a hater!
ohh and am legally aloud to do this? YES. I own a company where all my earnings are registered and pay tax.. I also hold the correct visa for this!
so yes.. I am 100% legal!
being married helps also.. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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Just answer the question: Do you really think you are qualified to do private lessons at 80k a pop?
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oh and do I think I am qualified to teach? .. NO! I am not!
but I get the job done!! |
No, you do not. By your own admission.
And you're giving someone else shit about their ethics? Christ... |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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Just answer the question: Do you really think you are qualified to do private lessons at 80k a pop?
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oh and do I think I am qualified to teach? .. NO! I am not!
but I get the job done!! |
No, you do not. By your own admission.
And you're giving someone else *beep* about their ethics? Christ... |
difference is , I admit my bad points, he doesnt!!
EFL TRAINER! are you qualified to teach EFL in korea? did you go to teachers college? are you a qualified teacher?
my teaching a class for 80.000 or 10.000 is not an issue here..
becuase 95% of hakwon teachers are not qualified!!!!
so I fit into this gap!! as probably do you, and so does Forgesteel!
difference is. I make more money than you both! becuase I go out there and get my own clients! where you and forgesteel work for someeone else!
ETHICS!!??
NO , becuase no one gets hurt. I do not teach beyond my ability.
I do ONLY conversation classes! if the students require grammar teachers then I pay someone else 50.000 for the lesson and I take the other half!
but you will find conversation is the option of choice in corperate , business classes
so if you cant entertain a crowd then you are useless in the classroom!!!
when I hire teachers for conversation classes.. I look for people with charisma! someone with personality. becuase without those traits! the boss of the class will call me and say the class is boring the students dont like it..
WELCOME TO KOREA!!!
you think the majority of Educated professionals in the English language with a TEFL can teach kindergarten in korea??? even elementary school hakwons?? you will find the majority of them look for UNI jobs the second years.. WHY?? they are qualified!! but are they?
we all know teaching Hakwons in korea is not about your classroom skills
or about your perfect use of the English language!
its about your ability to entertain the children! keep them happy,dont lose your cool, FUN FUN FUN!!
I take the Initiative so I make the money!!
dont hate the player for christ sake!! |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| the fact that the thread that started "dudes dying in iraq" has now digressed to "i make more money than you and i'm going to continue posting about it again and again" makes my BS detector itch like someone rubbed fiberglass all over it. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| the fact that the thread that started "dudes dying in iraq" has now digressed to "i make more money than you and i'm going to continue posting about it again and again" makes my BS detector itch like someone rubbed fiberglass all over it. |
someone who has been a member for 2 years cheisse, when has a thread ever stayed on topic on daves!
this thread is not turning into I make money than you do BS..
its about honesty, which some people dont know the first thing about!
I am being asked questions about basic information on korean teachers pay and recruiter fees etc.. , and It seems I am being targeted. it doesnt surprise me becuase the people asking me are noobs to korea..
so I have told them in blacknwhite which I think all people who have been here more than 2 years will know the ins and outs of the system..
its common knowledge... |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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sorry. it's just getting dull, that's all. you need to stick to making your 'loud, semi-coherent, yet often funny and relevant' critiques of some of the BS that happens here and other places in the world.
they kinda make me miss the late great sam kinison. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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Just answer the question: Do you really think you are qualified to do private lessons at 80k a pop?
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oh and do I think I am qualified to teach? .. NO! I am not!
but I get the job done!! |
No, you do not. By your own admission.
And you're giving someone else *beep* about their ethics? Christ... |
difference is , I admit my bad points, he doesnt!! |
This is about you. I've seen what you have to say about him, and you're full of crap.
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| EFL TRAINER! are you qualified to teach EFL in korea? did you go to teachers college? are you a qualified teacher? |
Go read my posts in the job-related forum and decide for yourself.
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my teaching a class for 80.000 or 10.000 is not an issue here..
becuase 95% of hakwon teachers are not qualified!!!!
so I fit into this gap!! as probably do you, and so does Forgesteel!
difference is. I make more money than you both! becuase I go out there and get my own clients! where you and forgesteel work for someeone else!
ETHICS!!??
NO , becuase no one gets hurt. I do not teach beyond my ability.
I do ONLY conversation classes! if the students require grammar teachers then I pay someone else 50.000 for the lesson and I take the other half! |
Let me 'splain this to you reeeeeeeal sllllloooooowwwwwllllllyyyyy:
No one gets hurt: Parents are spending shitloads of money on your useless shit that they could be spending on quality teachers or simply putting in the bank to help ensure their childrens' future, but no one is gettin hurt? Bull.
Oh my god!!! You ONLY do conversation, but cannot converse!!
Then you pay someone else to teach grammar EVEN THOUGH THE RESEARCH INDICATES TEACHING NON-CONTEXTUALIZED GRAMMAR IS BASICALLY POINTLESS???? Get your ass back to the States.
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but you will find conversation is the option of choice in corperate , business classes
so if you cant entertain a crowd then you are useless in the classroom!!! |
And such mindless drivel is why Koreans study English more than any other people and cannot USE the language. Get thee away from me Satan.
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| I take the Initiative so I make the money!! |
You take the initiative to use others for your own gain via lies and deceit, nothing more.
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| dont hate the player for christ sake!! |
I *do* hate the player. I respect those that think more of Korea's future than of their own pockets. Blech. |
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diablo3
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The first Australian soldier has been killed. Well, no more boasting about Australia's clean sheet. This incident happened during a training exercise.
In www.news.com.au.....
"An Australian soldier has been hit and killed by a vehicle while training in the Middle East ahead of his deployment to Iraq." |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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The first Australian soldier has been killed. Well, no more boasting about Australia's clean sheet. This incident happened during a training exercise.
In www.news.com.au.....
"An Australian soldier has been hit and killed by a vehicle while training in the Middle East ahead of his deployment to Iraq." |
What are you doing posting on-topic???   |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| the fact that the thread that started "dudes dying in iraq" has now digressed to "i make more money than you and i'm going to continue posting about it again and again" makes my BS detector itch like someone rubbed fiberglass all over it. |
This thread is in the wrong forum anyway, it belongs in Current Events. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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Just answer the question: Do you really think you are qualified to do private lessons at 80k a pop?
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oh and do I think I am qualified to teach? .. NO! I am not!
but I get the job done!! |
No, you do not. By your own admission.
And you're giving someone else *beep* about their ethics? Christ... |
difference is , I admit my bad points, he doesnt!! |
This is about you. I've seen what you have to say about him, and you're full of crap.
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| EFL TRAINER! are you qualified to teach EFL in korea? did you go to teachers college? are you a qualified teacher? |
Go read my posts in the job-related forum and decide for yourself.
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my teaching a class for 80.000 or 10.000 is not an issue here..
becuase 95% of hakwon teachers are not qualified!!!!
so I fit into this gap!! as probably do you, and so does Forgesteel!
difference is. I make more money than you both! becuase I go out there and get my own clients! where you and forgesteel work for someeone else!
ETHICS!!??
NO , becuase no one gets hurt. I do not teach beyond my ability.
I do ONLY conversation classes! if the students require grammar teachers then I pay someone else 50.000 for the lesson and I take the other half! |
Let me 'splain this to you reeeeeeeal sllllloooooowwwwwllllllyyyyy:
No one gets hurt: Parents are spending *beep* of money on your useless *beep* that they could be spending on quality teachers or simply putting in the bank to help ensure their childrens' future, but no one is gettin hurt? Bull.
Oh my god!!! You ONLY do conversation, but cannot converse!!
Then you pay someone else to teach grammar EVEN THOUGH THE RESEARCH INDICATES TEACHING NON-CONTEXTUALIZED GRAMMAR IS BASICALLY POINTLESS???? Get your ass back to the States.
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but you will find conversation is the option of choice in corperate , business classes
so if you cant entertain a crowd then you are useless in the classroom!!! |
And such mindless drivel is why Koreans study English more than any other people and cannot USE the language. Get thee away from me Satan.
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| I take the Initiative so I make the money!! |
You take the initiative to use others for your own gain via lies and deceit, nothing more.
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| dont hate the player for christ sake!! |
I *do* hate the player. I respect those that think more of Korea's future than of their own pockets. Blech. |
BOO F**KING HOO! |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: off topic again in the off topic forum |
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| BOO F**KING HOO! |
Well, glad we settled that. |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:50 am Post subject: Re: ethics, family, moral development, etc. |
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you live your life by other peoples views! fine!! you do that.. |
Umm, you asked for my view. If I use another thinker to support my views, explain my views, illustrate my views, we needn't call that 'living by other people's views.' Unless of course, we WANT to come off as a55es.
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WOW!!! womans place is in the kitchen huh.. man the hits just keep on coming!!! |
Your characterization of this view is simple-minded. Besides which, I note the insufficiencies of the same.
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children who grow up without a father are more likely to:
Suffer deprivation
Suffer ill health
Be unpopular and in trouble at school
Be excluded from school or leave early
Suffer physical and sexual abuse
Run away from home
Drink, smoke, take drugs
Become young offenders
Have unprotected sex
Become teenage parents
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Well, fine and good. Except you are talking about kids without a father. That's not me. I was there for their birth, their early years, and I plan on being there for 90% of their years. Please, stay on topic here. I know it's rough, but, still. At least try, won't you?
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sending home a paycheck doesnt merit your actions..
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Who died and made you the king of such judgements
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NOW I am not just debating you here.
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You are debating yourself. I am not debating my ethics. You asked a question, and I answered it. That's it. No debate involved.
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I am talking about your ACTIONS
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You are shifting the topic and making shit up along as you go. If you wanna call that a conversation or a debate, fine, you call it whatever you want.
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your actions are on debate here,
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Keep dreaming.
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now if you are a one off thing, just here for 1 year to save alittle money, get the teaching cert and head back to your family, then your actions have some merit, but if you are here becuase you rather living here alone, away from your family, and just prefer to send paychecks home then.. NO!!...
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Who died and made you king of such judgment calls?
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why didnt you just do a tefl or celt couse or something else! back in california!!?? to save money!?
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That *beep* don't mean squat in California. Having a masters is what counts. Passing licensure tests. That counts.
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you mentioned your wife is a teacher.. why didnt you both come
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Because my wife would rather make the amount of money she makes in California. After 10 years of teaching, one makes quite a bit in California, more than she is likely to pull in at any job in South Korea.
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here and save together and be a family!!
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Look, for all you know, I am bringing my children to South Korea next year. So, really, stop making wild assumptions. You don't know me, stop pretending like my business is your business. And for heaven's sake, please refrain from posing as a moral arbiter or expert.
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again your views dont come to reason with your actions..
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Yes, they do. I've explained in a variety of ways how my actions make sense. A variety of perspectives have been taken into consideration in the process.
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before you said, if my wife was dead I would bring them here, but you talk about about saving money in korea vs USA, doesnt make scense if you are after money and experience!!
you can save much more money, and be together as a family if you came together !
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I can save money by stealing too, doesn't mean I HAVE to do it. You have one compelling reason to do x. Fine. I've told you thirty compelling reasons to do y. End of story. Sheesh, it's not really that complicated.
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you really think 2 years in a hakwon is gonna secure you a job back home? ohh I think teaching cert will go further than 2 years on your resume in your hakwon.
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What do you know of California's teaching credential? I doubt you know more than I do. So, this as a given, I wonder why you presume to tell me what to do? I wonder why I'd seek advice from you on the matter?
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are you living a true married life? should the whole world follow your views on marriage?
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I don't ask that the world approve of my life, or my marriage.
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or the proper views? which do you think is better?
your way or the other way?
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'The other way?' It sounds like you are speaking as if there are only two ways to make a marriage? I'd think there'd be a lot more than that.
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since when does someone need to know somebody to judge their actions?
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Well, to know someone is not necessary, in theory. Except insofar as, unless you are a public figure, which I am not, if people don't know you, they are dealing only with hearsay. Facts help when making judgements. You are far from finished in the fact-finding phase of things. What facts do you know about me? You know I am a teacher in South Korea. Beyond this, you know very little.
Or an I missing something here? Can you do judging without facts?
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this happens everyday in society!
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Don't confuse my life for the daily news. You aren't a journalist, and I am not a public figure.
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you should read a newspaper sometime!
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Funny. This from someone who can barely frame an understandable argument, let alone a coherent sentence!
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you dont know GWB from ADAM
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You are right, I don't know him personally. I also have never been to Mars, but I know what the surface looks like.
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but you sure do have an opinion on him!
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Wow, you are intelligent! I have an opinion because he's a public figure, and journalists have been writing about him for some time now. Or were you unaware of this fact?
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you think he is low, ignorant, and a terrible president, where I dont share your views, I think he is one of the best men to step in the oval office since REAGAN..
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You aren't comparing him with Reagan are you? To talk about Bush in the same breath as Reagan is really a shame. Especially when you prop it up with nothing. Mere opinion and hot air. Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. You have done little else in this thread.
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it hurts when you know you are wrong, as I said, I am not attacking you Forsay, but questioning your views!
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You aren't questioning my views with anything resembling sincerity or intelligence. You are asserting a bunch of baseless crap and emoting like a hurt, broken neuron. You aren't attacking me? Look at how many times you've called me third-grader names. Anyone with an ounce of wit can see you are attempting to annoy, if not attack.
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get it! dont lose your temper! this is only a debate!
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This is a debate when you can abide by the simple rules of a debate. Namely, try your best to be persuasive and support your arguments.
No one's been persuaded of anything, except your incapacity as an intellect, and you sure as hell haven't bothered to support any of your arguments.
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please calm down..
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Funny. This from the guy who keeps writing in caps, and who seems markedly disturbed in general. So much so, you've yet to make a full coherent sentence more than three times in a row.
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if you cant handle it, then say so..
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What's all that disturbing about a third-rate intellect blathering about random *beep*? Normal fare on the internet.
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and I will stop..
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This is funny. From the guy who promised to stop posting six or seven posts ago.
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Because .ohhhhhhhh thats right, you are an atheist!!! DAMN! agnostic, atheist, samething really
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Equating agnosticism and atheism is non-standard practice, amonst those who have access to an encyclopedia. I suppose you think this makes you unique? Like your battering on the keyboard, that any monkey can do?
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if you know someone who was abusing his children and he justified it by his views, would you do something? |
Criminal behavior is one thing. By all means, if you think I am a criminal, I suppose you ought to go to INTERPOL. I already told you as much. But your reading comprehension isn't that sharp now is it?
Views that don't conform to one's own pet theories are another.
Can you differentiate the two?
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ETHICS! you should call social services!
your view, close the window and let that mam live his life! the way he sees it!
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How is it you feel safe characterizing my view thus? I've not yet shared with you my views on snitching, informing, community involvement, etc. etc.
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saying if other people didnt care,
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You repeatedly calling me names proves you care?
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then social norms as we know it would be caos wouldnt it..
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Consistency might be nice. Don't see it much around here, though.
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you sound like Joseph Smith Jr., the founder and father of the Mormon religion, received another revelation on Celestial marraige.
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Can anyone say, 'way out from left field?'
Ohmygosh, are we comparing tin foil hats, or does this just seem like a wackos convention?
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I am working for social justice, by working in the field of education. Thus, my actions are moral and ethical.
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teachers abuse children all the time!
your code of ethics are not moral, so how can you be a good role model for children? |
OK, let me be more clear. ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, I am working for social justice, by working in the field of education. Thus, my actions are moral and ethical.
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you find justifying causes in your actions, which dont MERIT social norms
you used a word before
shibboleth
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It's realy hard to make sense of your thought if you can't be bothered to conform to regular standards of punctuation, spelling, margins, grammar, etc.
I can't make heads or tails of half of what you are trying to say.
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does that make it ok . becuase you are different?
Freedom is a wonderful thing, to bad so many people abuse its rights!
ethically wrong? to a serial killer if you ask him what he did was ethically wrong! he would say NO! becuase he justified his actions!
just as you have! so you see no fault in your actions.. so its impossible
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If it's 'impossible,' why do you keep attempting to revive it? Mainly on your own terms. Which so far have included little more than a one-sided inquiry, where you make baseless claims, and then back up only after 15 posts that prove you were being a tad premature.
This debate is impossible, because I refuse to debate a third-rate intellect on matters of personal import when he can't even be bothered to use the standard rules of punctuation, spelling, margins, grammar, etc.
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for this debate to continue about family ethics becuase you have made up your mind..
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Another wild assertion, coming out of the blue, from nowhere. I've made up my mind? How could you possibly know what I've made up my mind on, besides the fact that you are a sad little internet troll?
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and see no fault.. but social services, child psycologist, most parents in the world will see, your actions are not correct,
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'Correct' actions don't exist for relativists like myself. I live in a world of many shades of gray. You are free to live in your fantasy land of black and white.
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but its your life and your life only! so you live it the way you chose.
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You will allow me? You are granting me that freedom? How generous of you!
Cheers, |
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