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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:16 pm Post subject: What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
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How bad is education here?
I was talking to some of my "university educated" co-workers the other day and they were in absolute disbelief that Canada had fought in the Korean War Good god! I was 10 when I learned that it was Natives, British, and small c canadians that saved my country (colonies at the time) from invasion. And that happened almost 200 years ago. I'm not saying I want a big "thanks Canada" parade or anything like that, but I just kind of figured they would know what happened in their country 50 years ago.
Then, of course, there's the fact that younger Koreans hate their saviours, no doubt a product of left-wing university education.
And, my favorite. I've had too many conversations with university-educated Koreans who have felt that Hitler was the man. I'm assuming, as Koreans, they are drawn to his idea of a master race. (Deep breath sensitive people, I'm not trying to say all Koreans are into the master race idea)
Any other shocking things coming from the mouths of university educated folk around here. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
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I suppose this isn't from a university-educated student, but it is pretty shockingly wrong.
This grade-six student told me that he thought Nazi Germany was pretty cool. He was grateful to them for fighting with the allies against Japan in World War 2. |
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Return Jones

Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Location: I will see you in far-off places
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stat
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: Re: What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
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| Newbie wrote: |
Then, of course, there's the fact that younger Koreans hate their saviours, no doubt a product of left-wing university education.
And, my favorite. I've had too many conversations with university-educated Koreans who have felt that Hitler was the man. |
I don't think left-wing education has any bias in it to teach learners that Hitler was a great man or that one's nation's saviours are unworthy of acknowledgement. I think you're banding the term around irresponsibly.
It seems to me that Korean students are more likely to think 'Hitler's great' (something I've heard from my students too) due to complex mixes of Korean social values and general ignorance of European history. One tends to think of matters in far off lands as more abstract than nearby matters.
I'm not that suprised that a lot of Koreans didn't know that Canada was part of the defending force. A lot of British people don't have a clue who saved Britain alongside them.
Keep the lefties out of it please. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: Re: What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
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| Newbie wrote: |
Then, of course, there's the fact that younger Koreans hate their saviours, no doubt a product of left-wing university education.
And, my favorite. I've had too many conversations with university-educated Koreans who have felt that Hitler was the man. |
I don't think left-wing education has any bias in it to teach learners that Hitler was a great man or that one's nation's saviours are unworthy of acknowledgement. I think you're banding the term around irresponsibly.
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Not sure how far left the Korean Teachers Union is, but they're fairly actively anti american. http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200511/kt2005110117374612070.htm |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Any one that says Hitler was cool. My first and four last words would be You're a fucking moron. No matter what age. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| Osama Bin Laden is also thought of as 'cool'. |
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stat
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: Re: What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
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again, anti-Americanism in Korea isn't exlusive to the lefties. I know you didn't say this, but it seems as though you're implying it (apologies if not). Sorry for moaning about this - one of my pet hates is when people unfairly snipe at lefties. |
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Paji eh Wong

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
In most, not a hell of a lot. At mine, I've had my password to the website changed yet again because they had to change some grades I entered. There are about 5 that are worthwhile, although they should be considered guilty until proven innocent. Anything outside those 5 and you might as well use the diploma for toilet paper.
Having said that, I have yet to meet a Korean that has anything good to say about Hilter. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: Re: What the heck are they teaching in Korean Universities? |
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| stat wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
Then, of course, there's the fact that younger Koreans hate their saviours, no doubt a product of left-wing university education.
And, my favorite. I've had too many conversations with university-educated Koreans who have felt that Hitler was the man. |
I don't think left-wing education has any bias in it to teach learners that Hitler was a great man or that one's nation's saviours are unworthy of acknowledgement. I think you're banding the term around irresponsibly.
It seems to me that Korean students are more likely to think 'Hitler's great' (something I've heard from my students too) due to complex mixes of Korean social values and general ignorance of European history. One tends to think of matters in far off lands as more abstract than nearby matters.
I'm not that suprised that a lot of Koreans didn't know that Canada was part of the defending force. A lot of British people don't have a clue who saved Britain alongside them.
Keep the lefties out of it please. |
But it's so fun to pick on lefties
No, I'm funning with ya. I'll try to be more careful.
Although, you did misquote me. I blamed "lefies" for the anti-Americanism. Not for the Hitler stuff. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Having said that, I have yet to meet a Korean that has anything good to say about Hilter. |
I'm sure you haven't. Similarly, I've never heard a Korean say "excuse me, may I get by" Yet I don't doubt that it has been said.
Sorry, not trying to be testy. I just love when people here say things like "I've never heard/see any Korean do __________ so it never could have happened"
Don't even know if that's what you were getting at, but just in case. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: |
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I don't mean to take anything away from Canada... but Canada didn't really fight in the Korean war. Not to say they didn't send soldiers to the UN effort, but the Korean war was primarly fought by the USA with UN support from a few dozen countries (maybe not that many, maybe more, dunno). Turkey contributed troops, Canada, etc.
I'm sure they knew the UN was involved, and I'm sure they knew the USA was involved...Not saying Canada didn't play a "significant" role in the UN forces... but compared to the US? Comon...
You want a similar disgraceful analogy? Ask the average American what the difference between the Viet Cong and Viet Minh were. Or ask the average American who General Lafayette was.
It's nothing personal, but France really didn't fight the American revolution, they were more like a bellhop who fetched the coats during the middle of a freak blizzard where the coats were needed as soon as possible or everyone would have freezed to death. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Oh and on the topic of the Hitler thing... I've asked every single one of my classes what the deal with the swastika on the building down the road from the school is. None of them pick up on it at first, and casually tell me its a Buddhist symbol. Upon telling them that in America its a highly offensive symbol, they all adamantly tell me that it has nothing to do with Nazi's, and how bad they were. I'm pretty sure they would have used the terminology "bags full of douche" if they only knew how, in English that is.
However, in America you can find Nazi sympathizers who think that Hitler was pretty "neat". Probably more than you can find in Korea for that matter (ignoring the fact theres a few hundred million more people). I don't see what the problem is, and honestly I'd wager that of the Koreans who think Hitler was groovy, most of them have no idea who he was, what he stood for, or what atrocities he committed. Hitler doesn't have anything to with Korea... but they all hate Japan. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Your students are right about the swastika. It has a long, long history before ibeing adopted by Hitler.
If you take the time to compare them, by the way, you'll see that the Buddhist swastika and the Nazi swastika are not identical. The spokes go in opposite directions. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I know.... the swastika... actually I only ask my students to get some converstation out of them... has a long history from Buddhists, to Hindus, to Native Americans, to Jews, to Christians, and so on.
Love the Gee-Dub/John Stewart avatar by the way. |
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