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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: Don't Girls Game? Girls Don't Game. |
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One might expect by this late stage in the gender-levelling process that boys and girls would be more equally into computer gaming. No, not in absolute equal numbers, but ....
And I don't mean serious build-it-yourself projects like some of the boys here get up to, but just plain old boring gaming. Huh? Or is this yet another mega-industry like automobiles and motorcycles and room-salons that is just about 100% male-dominated?
And it's not just gaming.
I've been to Yongsan electronics market, oh, about 2 million times and have seen maybe 300 whitey guys there over the years. 90% geeky. And about 10 white chicks/ladies. Five of them came with me. The other five were... like, Romanian wives of Romanian husbands, or French wives of French husbands. They all had toddlers with them. Oh, but you'll see k-chicks with their k-boyfriends, k-chicks with their whitey boyfriends, k-chicks with the Guru.... But no white girls.
I haven't lived in the West since Moses, so tell me -- are white chicks there as scarce on the ground in gaming and computers as they seem to be here? |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:32 am Post subject: |
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This is one good reason to date Asian girls. They dig computer games. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: |
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A little off topic Guru, but have you noticed it's getting a bit cold lately? Are you going to turn up the heat in a couple months.? Maybe Late June, you know make them sweat a bit. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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I have a Playstation 2 because I asked for one for my birthday. I love gaming, but it's tough to find games that really grab me.
I like problem solving, exploring, and silliness. I don't dig senseless violence and gore.
Hence I've wasted years of my life on Civilization (I and II), Myst, Monkey Island, the brilliant Douglas Adams game Starship Titanic, and games along those lines. I'll play other games like Simpson's Hit and Run (driving) or SSX Tricky (snowboarding), and other games, but not as enthusiastically.
I don't shop much for games, though, because the industry doesn't cater to my tastes.
Sort of a chicken and egg situation. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Girls in the US aren't really into video games. It's seen as nerdy, and so even guys that are into games will pretend they aren't if a girl might judge them negatively for it.
The game industry is in the midst of trying to figure out why US girls aren't into games, and are attemtping to create games that cater to more sterotypical female desires. For example, the Sims game is much more popular with females than with males, as it focuses on socializing and not competition, per se.
When I first got to Korea and saw chicks geeking out for hours on end in the PC Bangs, I couldn't believe it. Back home, you'd simply never see a chick, let alone a gorgeous one, paying money to go sit in a smoky room and play video games for 6 hours. It would be like asking a dog to do a curtsey.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Back when I started playing D&D and got interested in microcomputers (circa 1981), ladies were thin on the ground. About the only women turning up for D&D conventions or computer conventions were 300 lbs women who were nursing their babies in public and smelled like cabbage. As far as I can tell they were there to kill time while their husbands were away serving on nuclear submarines...
This is a guy dressed as a woman, but in 1981, that would be an actual woman at a RPG convention:
Amazingly, stone cold hotties turn out to role playing conventions these days. There's a lot of cross over with comics, anime, etc. The girls and women like to dress up in costumes. Elven princesses, school girls with nunchucks. I was born about 15 years too early, I figure.
In 1980 you'd see mostly guys like this:
He would be considered normal. Even alpha male stuff.
Now you see women like:
As I've probably noted elsewhere, I've worked at software companies where there were more women's washrooms than actual women in the company. That was Canada. The dot.com I worked at in Seattle, and the dot.coms I saw, had loads of women. Nice women. Supple women. Women with discernable waist lines. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Quite nice. Responses from my favourite poster people. I really didn't expect this thread to matter to anyone. Just talking to myself down here at the end of the bar.
Joe, so it would seem.
I used to hang out at this one particular PC bahhhhhng, first because our internet was down at the office for two days, and then because of all these game "gaming" girls hanging out there. Too young, a bit too feral for my taste, but it's always a treat to have cute young girlies get all giggly and flirty. They are always there at the most insane hours, usually waiting for the B-friends, sometimes meeting their G-friends who are waiting for their B-friends to return to real world. Quite amusing and grim, their lives and relationships. They honestly live the PC bang-er life. One girl I got to know a bit had this one B-friend who she eventually dumped because he spent all -- ALL -- of their dating time gaming. But all of her G-friends are G-friends of other PC-banger boys, so she ends up back to the PC bahhng, and inevitably she gets picked up by another PC-banger boy because -- well, what are the options? And the cycle repeats itself. Same for her little chingoos. They survive on convenience-store food and 2nd- (or 1st-)hand smoke. And occasional beers & anju at the norae-bahhhhng.
Kimchieluver, yes I have noticed, and I've already pulled the gas heater (w/fan feature) out of storage. The ondol is on the lowest setting (think "pilot lamp") during the day and then upped to the next-lowest setting when I get home from work till I leave the next morning. Ah, your question was in reference to the office. No turning on the heat there 'til I see uncontestable signs of frostbite.
Kermo, me too with the adventure & history-oriented games. I prefer my senseless violence on the big screen and in a setting where it... kinda makes sense. Maybe the game industry will come out with games that appeal more to girls. Like multi-player make-up and accessorising races! (that was bad. you may now shoot me.)
Qinella, thanks for that insight into the US gaming world. I expected as much but have no firsthand observations to support that.
MM2, great photos. Some scary, some embarrassing, some laughable, some almost website-worthy. "women with discernible waistlines"?? Can you actually say things like that in the U.S. without risking a sexual harassment lawsuit? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Nineteen million girls between the ages of eight and eighteen spend $57 billion of their own money each year in the United States. 1 Despite this figure, the $6.3 billion U.S. video game industry 2 has been slow to develop a wide range of products that reflect girls' interests. This may be due to misconceptions that girls are not interested in video and computer games. 3 However, Mattel's success with Barbie computer software proves that there is a market for products aimed at girls. In fact, the girls' game market generated $64 million in 1997. 4
Video and computer games have long been designed and marketed primarily to male consumers, who make up about 89% of the console market and 94% of the gaming magazine market. 5 This is evidenced in widespread aggressive and violent themes, which reflect boys' traditionally aggressive play. 6 One study found that 40 of the 47 top video games from Nintendo were violent. 7 Another study revealed that 92% of arcade games had no female roles, and of the 8% that did, 6% were "damsels in distress" and only 2% had active (rather than passive) roles. 8 Video game advertising has also lacked female representation; game packaging usually pictures boys, not girls. Even parents purchase video games twice as much for their sons as they do for their daughters. 9
However, research shows that girls are also interested in playing video games. According to a recent study, women make up 43% of PC players and 35% of console gamers. 10 Another study revealed that 74% of girls using computers spend time playing games online. 22 Though software developers are finally recognizing the multibillion-dollar industry for girls, 12 they are slow in developing a variety of girl-specific games. 13
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Back when I played Atari, I quit because video games are fucking stupid. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: |
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I think this girl deserves to get posted again:
I was going to cut the guy out but he's probably a nice guy. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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None of those chicks mindmetoo posted are smoking, not to offend the guy. I've got some pics from various anicons (NERD ALERT) that I went to back in my "should've been smoking more pot" days that would rock them, but, alas, I've no scanner.
*is drunk* |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I beg to differ. This chick
looks like perfection incarnate from where I'm standing. |
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Maserial

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Location: The Web
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hater Depot wrote: |
I beg to differ. This chick
looks like perfection incarnate from where I'm standing. |
I've never been an avid fan of Cosplay, but it stands to reason that the guy in the picture is living the good life, i.e. he's a grown man dressed up like Boba Fett, surrounded by scantily clad, attractive women.
Place a Tangueray & Tonic in one of the guy's hands, and a Baha Gordita in the other, and you've pretty much got an image of Maserial's Fantasy #24. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
None of those chicks mindmetoo posted are smoking, not to offend the guy. I've got some pics from various anicons (NERD ALERT) that I went to back in my "should've been smoking more pot" days that would rock them, but, alas, I've no scanner.
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Well, geez, Hef. They may not be stroke magazine quality. But if any of those women a) worked on my floor b) dressed like that, I would take the long way to the coffee room just to walk by their cubicle. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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gaming bores me to tears, but I know lots of chicks into computers as a career or whatever. I've gotta go to Yongsan today for a new hard drive myself actually. |
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