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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
| You see a big future in korea teaching? A future as what? |
As a teacher maybe? Simply because you can not make it in Korea, does not mean that everyone can not. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| bellum99 wrote: |
| You see a big future in korea teaching? A future as what? |
why isn't there a future here? |
I get the impression that there is, whereas there wasn't or didn't seem to be before. How long a future, I couldn't say. I suppose the unwritten conclusion to my previous post might go something like:
I've read that a good many foreign teachers in Korea these days are buying (or have already bought) their own homes, here or in their country. And that's typically after paying off their student loans, CC debts, starting a family, and whatever else. Clearly, this isn't "your older brother's two-year sex & teaching junket through East Asia" anymore.
Markets and wage scales can change. A lot. But since they can also change for the worse as well as for the better, were I a teacher I think I'd be fairly annoyed and alarmed that Koreans (in Korea or living in other countries) seem to be the only real worthwhile ESL game in town. That is, the only ones sufficiently stressed out to think English is their ticket to the good life, and sufficiently loaded and willing to pay a decent price.
Thus, were I a teacher in Korea now and planned on remaining one, I'd want... I think I'd want not to be just starting at this. I'd want to have been milking this cow for quite a few years already. Be well on my way to buying a home, and have another big pile saved up alongside it. I wouldn't want to be looking at this market in 2005 and hoping & praying that it (both the market and South Korea itself) is still going to be here and still paying out in another 10 or 15 years. IOW, I'd want to be at least half the way there by now, financially speaking, not at Square One of my career.
To put it in "Dave's terms", I think I'd want to be where Superhero or the Beaver or Homer are at right now in their careers.
If I were just out of university, still in my 20s, and not merely broke but staring at a mountain of financial obligations, then I don't imagine I would feel as secure about the ESL profession. Not when Korea's the only decent-paying game in town. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| To put it in "Dave's terms", I think I'd want to be where Superhero or the Beaver or Homer are at right now in their careers. |
I'll not deny that life is indeed sweet. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| bellum99 wrote: |
| You see a big future in korea teaching? A future as what? |
. But since they can also change for the worse as well as for the better, were I a teacher I think I'd be fairly annoyed and alarmed that Koreans (in Korea or living in other countries) seem to be the only real worthwhile ESL game in town. That is, the only ones sufficiently stressed out to think English is their ticket to the good life, and sufficiently loaded and willing to pay a decent price. ..
. Not when Korea's the only decent-paying game in town... |
The thing is though, it isn't. Saudi Arabia pays a lot more, so do some other Middle East countries. The thing about Korea that attracts a lot of young guys is that it is easier to get girlfriends over here as opposed to there. And China is up-and-coming. |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| This is great news!! Why? 'cause it will keep a lot of the low lifes from coming over |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Confused Canadian wrote: |
When I came to Korea in December of '95, my director paid for my ticket, but I had to pay him back from my first three paychecks (the exact amount / percentage/month was all spelled out in the contract). At the time, I don't think it was commonplace for school's to puchase your ticket outright. Not sure if that started with the "IMF Crisis" or not...
But yeah, I wouldn't have made it over here if my director hadn't bought my ticket originally...
Confused Canadian |
I had a round-trip flight paid for in 1995. Just another data point. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| well, i really believe teachers here are more organized than hogwan owners, i think it would be much easier for us to refuse any contract that denies a plane ticket than them to get someone over here without it. they need us more than we need them. and they are like OPEC, agree to not offer tickets, but someone will start the process of stabbing them all in the back... |
The problem is not "teachers here" [in Korea,] but rather the new teachers who aspire to teach in Korea. Sure, we can organize and refuse a contract without a ticket, but there are plenty of fresh new university graduates out there who won't make such demands. |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:10 am Post subject: |
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To put it in "Dave's terms", I think I'd want to be where Superhero or the Beaver or Homer are at right now in their careers.
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dude.
think: steroidmaximus |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
| You see a big future in korea teaching? A future as what? |
I was confused by these comments, but then I figured the "thinking' out: Having a rather easy job that pays your bills quite well, in a country with a low enough cost of living that you can probably save enough money for your retirement, as well as you having the amazement of living in a foreign land...And maybe even being satisfied with your lot in life, means you are a loser.
How could I have not seen that before? I better run home on the next plane out of here!
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jacl
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Probaby. Amazement good.  |
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Red
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, thanks for pointing out the spelling mistakes. I dont know how I could have lived without your sharp eye and keen wit. Have you thought about trying to capture Osama Bin Ladin with these skills? |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| To put it in "Dave's terms", I think I'd want to be where Superhero or the Beaver or Homer are at right now in their careers. |
life is definitely good for me. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| To put it in "Dave's terms", I think I'd want to be where Superhero or the Beaver or Homer are at right now in their careers. |
life is definitely good for me. |
Agreed. I just bought my new apt. I've got some decent bank. And I enjoy my job.
I'm hard pressed to think of a reason to leave. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The thing is though, it isn't. Saudi Arabia pays a lot more, so do some other Middle East countries. The thing about Korea that attracts a lot of young guys is that it is easier to get girlfriends over here as opposed to there. And China is up-and-coming. |
Naw. The thing about Korea is that I have a reasonable number of hours in my work week, opportunities to do extra work, decent salary (enough to save money, travel, and buy things), excellent holidays, good students and a great workplace. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The thing is though, it isn't. Saudi Arabia pays a lot more, so do some other Middle East countries. The thing about Korea that attracts a lot of young guys is that it is easier to get girlfriends over here as opposed to there. And China is up-and-coming. |
Naw. The thing about Korea is that I have a reasonable number of hours in my work week, opportunities to do extra work, decent salary (enough to save money, travel, and buy things), excellent holidays, good students and a great workplace. |
Same here, (except for the holidays). I was talking about the young guys as in fresh out of college.  |
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