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Lost my job---female wanted by mothers
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers Reply with quote

Damn it was a nice easygoing job too, and I was only there a month. Then the boss informs me the mothers want (insist upon?) a female teacher, so he gets one and I'm finished. He tells me he might have other work for me, which apparently he has for about 15 other people, who seem to work at various places, like 5-10 hours here, 6-12 hours there per week, or something like that. Running around town, different school(s) each day? Given my current situation I'll take what I can get I suppose, but I would rather have stayed put.
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Bee Positive



Joined: 27 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude,

You CAN'T let this get you down.

I know, it's easy to say.

Trust me, however, when I say that you will look back and LAUGH.

While I've never had it quite as bad (have not yet been fired for being male!), I've certainly waded through my share of Korean job listings which looked promising until I came upon the must-be-equipped-with-female-genitalia clause.

Ha! I'm LAUGHING!

And here's why:

I majored in English, did graduate studies in English, have spent half my life hanging out in libraries, can diagram sentences till the cows come home, provide etymologies for most any word you can throw at me (yes, I've done the Latin, the Greek, the French, the Anglo Saxon even), scored 760 on my GRE verbal (top 1%), and to top it all off, I've got years of experience teaching in Korea now, and can teach like nobody's business.

I've got the knowledge, I've got the passion, and I've got the presentation down, and can teach any class, anytime, anywhere, and do so perfectly well WITHOUT FEMALE GENITALIA, thank you very much. (Was going to insert a joke here but realized that it was tasteless and out of place: suffice it to say that I don't exactly dislike women, wink.)

Trust me, if you're at all decent as a teacher, you're bound to come out ahead in this game.

Just wait until your replacement, however female she may be, can't tell the difference between a noun and a verb. See how fast those demanding mothers change their fickle minds!

And NO, I do not mean to imply that ALL females are dumb, OK? Just that intelligence, competence, job-worthiness and so on are NOT sex-dependent.

I trust that any fair-minded women who happen to read this will agree with me too. Imagine how outraged you would be if you were denied a job, still worse FIRED from the job you hold now, whatever your qualifications, simply because you're not a man. Different foot, different shoe, same bee ess, if you'll pardon me for phrasing it that way.

Hang in there, Dude! When one door closes, as they say . . .


BEE POSITIVE
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And NO, I do not mean to imply that ALL females are dumb, OK?


Oh, are you trying to imply that MOST females ARE dumb? It sure sounds like it to me.

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Just that intelligence, competence, job-worthiness and so on are NOT sex-dependent.


Tell that to the MIS/IT guys at IBM, EDS etc. in America and they will just laugh at you. As a female, I was subjected to an extremely hostile work environment where these males constantly harassed me on a daily basis. Why? Mostly because I refused to date the boss or any other males at work and because I was doing a stellar job that was a male ego buster. They flew in middle aged white males from Texas (who did NOTHING) just to have them take the credit for my work. Being smart as a whip as a female gets you nowhere in America. I'm glad to finally be appreciated FOR being a female and not in spite of being female. It would have been much easier if they would have walked up to me and said, "you are fired for being female." Instead, they insisted on making my life a living he11. Hope this was some condolence for the OP.
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about getting a letter of release from him and moving on? There's lots of jobs out there.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tell that to the MIS/IT guys at IBM, EDS etc. in America and they will just laugh at you.


Try working in the MIS/IT world in Korea. You will get the same harassment. I think the only reason you get respect is because you have moved from a male dominated profession. In most countries women in business and IT get looked down on. I am not saying it is right but just how the world seems to work.
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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Tell that to the MIS/IT guys at IBM, EDS etc. in America and they will just laugh at you.


Try working in the MIS/IT world in Korea. You will get the same harassment. I think the only reason you get respect is because you have moved from a male dominated profession. In most countries women in business and IT get looked down on. I am not saying it is right but just how the world seems to work.


No thanks, I disabused myself of working in that "good ole boy" network eons ago. The same exists in not only business but in religion, politics, education etc. all over the western world.

You can't say that the ESL field is female dominated really since (it's safe to say that) most directors and owners are males. So the idea that I only get respect because I moved "from a male dominated profession" makes little sense. I thought hagwons were all "business." Who thinks they aren't run like businesses? Rolling Eyes
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jajude...

Sorry to hear about your situation. Your boss and those mothers are simply sacks of sh*t. End of story. Letting someone go based on gender alone is peasant behavior... you had the unfortunate situation of dealing with those backwards idiots. You'd be suprised how easy it is to get let go in these hagwons based on your appearance sometimes...I got a couple of complaints from a couple of my students that I was too "middle eastern" looking to be considered American and I think my boss was almost willing to let me go on that premise.

Hope all fares better for your future gig.


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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungLi wrote:
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Being smart as a whip as a female gets you nowhere in America.


I disagree. If you can't learn to navigate the lustful male politics under your nose every day (which isn't that difficult if you know men well) I say it gets you your own company. And company car.
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungLi wrote:
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And NO, I do not mean to imply that ALL females are dumb, OK?


Oh, are you trying to imply that MOST females ARE dumb? It sure sounds like it to me.

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Just that intelligence, competence, job-worthiness and so on are NOT sex-dependent.


Tell that to the MIS/IT guys at IBM, EDS etc. in America and they will just laugh at you. As a female, I was subjected to an extremely hostile work environment where these males constantly harassed me on a daily basis. Why? Mostly because I refused to date the boss or any other males at work and because I was doing a stellar job that was a male ego buster. They flew in middle aged white males from Texas (who did NOTHING) just to have them take the credit for my work. Being smart as a whip as a female gets you nowhere in America. I'm glad to finally be appreciated FOR being a female and not in spite of being female. It would have been much easier if they would have walked up to me and said, "you are fired for being female." Instead, they insisted on making my life a living he11. Hope this was some condolence for the OP.


Well, Korea isn't particulary well-known for treating their female employees with equality either. It happens everywhere.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: