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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| The principal at my Korean high school last year treated all the female employees like this and demanded that us women refer to him as "father" and that we should pay unquestioned respect to him. |
Oh, tell me you told him to kiss your white arse, Polychronic.
The principal at my school scolded me for using chopsticks with my left hand. I asked him, "Do you want me to starve?!"
I guess it's not the same thing though. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| PolyChronic Time Girl wrote: |
| The principal at my Korean high school last year treated all the female employees like this and demanded that us women refer to him as "father" and that we should pay unquestioned respect to him. |
Oh, tell me you told him to kiss your white arse, Polychronic.
The principal at my school scolded me for using chopsticks with my left hand. I asked him, "Do you want me to starve?!"
I guess it's not the same thing though. |
I wish I did. I should have because by me being quiet, I perpetuated that image of the "nice, obedient girl" who doesn't question the ajeoshi. The pig even asked me to go swimming with him!! I did look him dead in the eye and say "no" I know, I know...I should have told that backwards clown to "f*ck off" |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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How pathetic. Just get a release letter and go somewhere you're appreciated. I'm sure that in the end the idiot ajumas will get what they deserve.
As for the gender debate - women are probably on average better at working with little children, but there are a lot of exceptions, and a guy whose good at it is to be much preferred over a woman who's unknown. But that's just too logical for many Koreans. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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desultude..... good comments..... exactly right on.
babtangee..... I don't feed troll dogs.
PolyChronic Time Girl.... "father (daddy) can I have a raise, pretty please, pleaaaaase  ." Who's higher than the ajoeshi, maybe another ajoeshi? Soooooo you find another higher/older ajoeshi to befriend or find favor with you.... problem solved.
I'm not saying that Koreans are blameless in their treatment of women. I am saying that Koreans tend to prefer females as ESL teachers and there's nothing wrong with that. If someone has a problem with how it is, he/she should leave instead of grumble about how "backward" Koreans are. In America, I got sick and tired of people saying to me, "if you don't like America, the president, then get out, leave, no one is keeping you here, just pack your bags and go." So, if you don't like Korea or you think YOUR country is sooo much better, you all know what YOU can do...... get packing. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Being smart as a whip as a female gets you nowhere in America. |
I disagree. If you can't learn to navigate the lustful male politics under your nose every day (which isn't that difficult if you know men well) I say it gets you your own company. And company car. |
Total misconception here. It has nothing to do with "lustful male politics." It's about their abuse of power and total hatred of women. I can't tell you how many times I had to hear such things as "women should all be raped and killed" or "women are just knotches on a man's belt." They would get around me and talk about how they enjoyed abusing (to put it lightly) women when they were in the military. This was an EXTREMELY hostile work environment not a LUSTFUL environment at all!!!  They HATED me for outperforming them. Futhermore, they retaliated against me because they couldn't USE me to sleep around with at the office like other females there who were desperate to keep their jobs and move up the chain. There was no way to "manage" that kind of he11 hole where women are treated like worthless whores just for working there. Black people there were also treated equally as bad with racist remarks that were considered somewhat less PC than the constant abusive sexual harassment of females. I still have nightmares about that place.  |
I too have worked in such an environment. The guys just didn't try that kind of crapola with me for very long, they did it to others in the office though--the ones who were more timid and not ready to do some definitive ball-crushing. I guess some women put out more "vulnerable-to-male-crap" vibes than others and the guys smell it a mile away. Not to diminish the abuse you dealt with, but men often do this kind of thing just to get a reaction/see women get all up in a fluff, for sport if you will--and judging by your bitterness it seems like you were the perfect candidate for them to pick on.
Different tactics needed! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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jajdude, sorry about your rotten luck. Haven't I read posts before about you getting fired?
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Being young and female means instant employability. Experience does not. There are exceptions to the rule (schools with standards), but these schools are an exception to the rule in themselves.
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I think this is true. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I am saying that Koreans tend to prefer females as ESL teachers |
Not high school and middle school girls, believe me. I'll never forget the reception that myself and the youngest male Korean teacher got when we first walked into a few middle school classes for the first time. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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I too have worked in such an environment. The guys just didn't try that kind of crapola with me for very long, they did it to others in the office though--the ones who were more timid and not ready to do some definitive ball-crushing. I guess some women put out more "vulnerable-to-male-crap" vibes than others and the guys smell it a mile away. Not to diminish the abuse you dealt with, but men often do this kind of thing just to get a reaction/see women get all up in a fluff, for sport if you will--and judging by your bitterness it seems like you were the perfect candidate for them to pick on.
Different tactics needed! |
Oh I've heard that song and dance story plenty of times. This is the same type of mentality that use to blame women for being raped.... they way they dressed, looked, behave.... they deserved it .... they asked for it. Please don't generalize men like you did because I have never in my life been treated the same by any born/bred/raised Asian, Middle Eastern or Latino men. I was the "perfect candidate huh!?" oh NICE!!! What a sweet thing to say. Thanks a lot. My male friends who KNOW me would disagree with you. If I was so bitter, why would I usually be able to get along better with males than females? |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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YoungLi
Maybe what Canuckistan was saying was that these guys were bullies. With bullies, no one deserves to be treated badly by them, but there are ways of dealing with them. I don't know what you did and won't tell you what you should have done, that's rude on my part, but bullies do look for targets.
By the way, it definitely sounds like the OP opened an old wound of yours. I hope it can be forgotten/healed again |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Not high school and middle school girls, believe me. I'll never forget the reception that myself and the youngest male Korean teacher got when we first walked into a few middle school classes for the first time. |
You mistake hormones for respect there. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Not high school and middle school girls, believe me. I'll never forget the reception that myself and the youngest male Korean teacher got when we first walked into a few middle school classes for the first time. |
You mistake hormones for respect there. |
LOL shhhhh "good girls" aren't suppose to have hormones  for males.  I can just see little Suzy going home and talking about her hot male teachers with her friends while mom decides to eavesdrop. Next thing you know, mom is on the phone with director demanding a female teacher. The male teacher can't understand why he's being fired.  LOL |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| I'm not saying that Koreans are blameless in their treatment of women. I am saying that Koreans tend to prefer females as ESL teachers and there's nothing wrong with that. |
Uhh...sorry, no...there IS something wrong with that. Teachers should be judged on how well they teach, here in Korea and anywhere else. Not on what color they look like, not on what genitalia they appear to have attached to them, not on their weight, age, or hair color. If I were in the thread author's position, I would scream blue murder. I'd be at the Labor Board and the Human Rights Commission, whether or not it would accomplish anything. And I'd go out of my way to (rightly so) blacklist the school. I appreciate the fact that you may have been subject to a sexist working environment in the past, but two wrongs don't make a right.
It's equally sexist to assume that all -- or even most -- male teachers working in Korea are only trying to 'bed' their female students. In the US, far more female babysitters have been caught on tape slapping and abusing the babies in their charge than male babysitters, but you don't hear people claiming that most female babysitters are child beaters. I agree I've met some sleazebags in my time, but most male teachers are mature and take a professional attitude to their jobs, their students and their vocation. It's attitudes like that that make it no surprise that elementary schools back in the US and Canada are crying for male teachers as role models. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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YoungLi,
Judging by almost everyone of your posts, it is no wonder that you felt disenfranchised at your old jobs. I bet all those other women whoring thier way up the corporate ladder is just your way of saying they knew how to play office politics and you didn't. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| YoungLi wrote: |
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Not high school and middle school girls, believe me. I'll never forget the reception that myself and the youngest male Korean teacher got when we first walked into a few middle school classes for the first time. |
You mistake hormones for respect there. |
LOL shhhhh "good girls" aren't suppose to have hormones for males. I can just see little Suzy going home and talking about her hot male teachers with her friends while mom decides to eavesdrop. Next thing you know, mom is on the phone with director demanding a female teacher. The male teacher can't understand why he's being fired. LOL |
And that's the wonderful thing about NOT WORKING HOGWAN!!!! There's only one woman whose opinion matters and that's my principal. So long as she keeps hearing good reports about me and sees me coming in on time and well dressed everything's peachy. My high school just made a brochure and two of the four photos in it included me. They made 300 glossy brouchures, boasted about their new native English speaker and how great their English programme is, and printed it off with a big ___________ girl's [sic] High School across the front. Such a real impact I'm making! At least they didn't say 'we learn English hardly'.
And CLG, there's no mistaking the hormones, that's for sure. But as I've been three months on the job and haven't been sworn at, hit, bitten, scratched, or had things thrown at me it does seem that the respect factor is somewhat improved over my last job, lol. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Being smart as a whip as a female gets you nowhere in America. |
YoungLi, after reading several of your posts for the past month or two, I think it's safe to say that you don't qualify as "smart as a whip". |
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