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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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Koreans are often confrontation averse so in this case they may have stated something more objective like the above instead what they really may have felt ie "He is foul and detestable" as a way of easing you out. If you feel thats the case, visit here http://www.hemlocknj.org/
If you decide that is not the case and you feel the work was of sufficient quality, you may seek a letter of recommendation for said school but it seems that your employer is happy with your work. In that case, you've had the opportunity to be hated, despised and rejected. This will fill your life experience inventory in a beneficial way. Really, it will. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| I'd be at the Labor Board and the Human Rights Commission, whether or not it would accomplish anything. |
Since when did the Human Rights Commission get involved in sex discrimination employment matters? They aren't even doing much about the torture of prisoners for christ's sake. I wouldn't waste my time just to be laughed at and told to call someone who cares. I WOULD find another job straight away with an employer who appreciated me for my skills. Once I was hired and settled in there, I'd write my previous employer to say how happy I was.
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| It's equally sexist to assume that all -- or even most -- male teachers working in Korea are only trying to 'bed' their female students. |
Who's making that assumption? I certainly didn't.
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| It's attitudes like that that make it no surprise that elementary schools back in the US and Canada are crying for male teachers as role models. |
Isn't that a shame. Well, there is a shortage of teachers all over America k-12. I don't know about Canada.
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| There's only one woman whose opinion matters and that's my principal. So long as she keeps hearing good reports about me... |
WHO is she hearing reports from? Are they all males or mostly females? Mostly females would be my guess and don't their opinions count too?
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| Teachers should be judged on how well they teach |
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Tell that to the public school teachers back in America and they'll probably ask you who you think should be the judge. Should it be the Administrators, the school board, standardized tests, the student evaluations, votes from the community or what? How do you judge a teacher? That's a whole subject for a huge debate.
joe_doufu... do you ever have anything to say or do you just like being a troll?
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| I bet all those other women whoring thier way up the corporate ladder is just your way of saying they knew how to play office politics and you didn't. |
How did you come up with this idea? Those women were stupid. No job is worth it - absolutely NONE. I said they were desperate to keep their jobs. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a kind of troll who, no matter what the thread was originally about, makes everything about him (or her). |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| So basically what you're saying is that in all the jobs you've worked at stateside the only women that kept their jobs or moved up actually did sleep with half the office. I've worked with several women in traditional boys club firms and the women worked harder but never whored. On a side note, they usually got promoted faaster and became the tougher managers to work for. I could tell you some stories but I have to teach countable and non countable nouns to middle schoolers right now. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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can diagram sentences till the cows come home, |
Written text analysis is a drag. Except for calculating lexical density, which has its uses when students won't admit they plagiarized their assignments, it's my least favorite part of linguistics. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers |
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| Damn it was a nice easygoing job too, and I was only there a month. Then the boss informs me the mothers want (insist upon?) a female teacher, so he gets one and I'm finished. He tells me he might have other work for me, which apparently he has for about 15 other people, who seem to work at various places, like 5-10 hours here, 6-12 hours there per week, or something like that. Running around town, different school(s) each day? Given my current situation I'll take what I can get I suppose, but I would rather have stayed put. |
I'd look for something else, full-time, if I were you; now is a good time to leverage a release letter out of him. Doesn't matter what "the mothers" (good choice of words) want, he has a contract with you. If he refuses to own up to it, he should let you out of it.
As Desultude and Duloz says, maybe he's lying to you about the real reasons. If you're doing a good job -- and I have absolutely no reason to assume you are not doing a good job -- it shouldn't make any difference. I don't think gender is an important enough variable to determine who will be a better teacher; experience, maturity and preparation will count for more.
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| The qualified teachers should get/keep the job...and not based on whether they are female or male. |
Absolutely.
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| I'd be at the Labor Board and the Human Rights Commission, whether or not it would accomplish anything. |
Since when did the Human Rights Commission get involved in sex discrimination employment matters? They aren't even doing much about the torture of prisoners for christ's sake. I wouldn't waste my time just to be laughed at and told to call someone who cares. |
Actually the Human Rights Commission in Korea, and the courts, have made judgements on sexual harassment cases, and in one notable case awarded damages to a male employee who was persistently sexually harassed by a female supervisor. To take your question literally, I don't know when exactly they started dealing with sexual harassment, but it was sometime within the past 10 years. And if I were in jajude's position I would take the case to the Human Rights Commisison, on principle.
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| Teachers should be judged on how well they teach. |
Tell that to the public school teachers back in America and they'll probably ask you who you think should be the judge. Should it be the Administrators, the school board, standardized tests, the student evaluations, votes from the community or what? How do you judge a teacher? That's a whole subject for a huge debate. |
Of course it is. It's a whole area of academic debate and research, that's being constantly modified and improved. But it is a given, in the US and Canada, that teachers should be judged on how well they teach, not on physical parameters like age, size, sex, etc. Just because it's somewhat difficult to do doesn't mean it can't be done or that it shouldn't be done. Teachers "back home" are evaluated on their merits -- as teachers -- all the time. It's part of their professional development and the professional development of the school they work in. Whether you like it or not, that's exactly how it happens. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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I'm not seriously worried or anything. I've got 2 interviews tomorrow. It's just that I was comfortable there, all seemed cool, then bam, got replaced. No complaint on the job I was doing. The boss was apologetic and bought me a few beers. He said he can still help me get work if necessary.
I don't blame him. He might have lost a number of students, at a place that has only 50 or so. Actually it could not accommodate more than 100 students tops.
(This is weird too: He even said he could help me find a woman!)
Yeah, I have been fired before, but gladly. This time, unfortunately. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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All I can say is, remember the first rule of working in a hagwon. Nothing that happens is personal. I'd avoid dudes offer of finding work. Sounds like bit and piece work all over town, with him probably taking a cut. You don't need to do that guy any favours.
Get on that woman thing, though. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Brain fart.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| But it is a given, in the US and Canada, that teachers should be judged on how well they teach, not on physical parameters like age, size, sex, etc. Just because it's somewhat difficult to do doesn't mean it can't be done or that it shouldn't be done. Teachers "back home" are evaluated on their merits -- as teachers -- all the time. It's part of their professional development and the professional development of the school they work in. Whether you like it or not, that's exactly how it happens. |
It would seem you are failing to consider the effects of tenure and the power of unions. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| There's only one woman whose opinion matters and that's my principal. So long as she keeps hearing good reports about me... |
WHO is she hearing reports from? Are they all males or mostly females? Mostly females would be my guess and don't their opinions count too?
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I think she gets all her feeback from the vice-principal, whose a man. I don't know where he gets his feeback from, as he seems far more interested in gardening and the flowers outside the school than what's going on inside (really, if you came to my school you'd think he's the gardener). I guess he gets his feedback largely from the students, who have a very sexist attitude ... they'd rather have male EFL teachers. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers |
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| But it is a given, in the US and Canada, that teachers should be judged on how well they teach, not on physical parameters like age, size, sex, etc. Just because it's somewhat difficult to do doesn't mean it can't be done or that it shouldn't be done. Teachers "back home" are evaluated on their merits -- as teachers -- all the time. It's part of their professional development and the professional development of the school they work in. Whether you like it or not, that's exactly how it happens. |
It would seem you are failing to consider the effects of tenure and the power of unions. |
I think even most unions, and union contracts, where they make provisions for the evaluation of teachers, do so primarily on how well they teach, although I'm sure tenure is a part of it. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| But it is a given, in the US and Canada, that teachers should be judged on how well they teach, not on physical parameters like age, size, sex, etc. Just because it's somewhat difficult to do doesn't mean it can't be done or that it shouldn't be done. Teachers "back home" are evaluated on their merits -- as teachers -- all the time. It's part of their professional development and the professional development of the school they work in. Whether you like it or not, that's exactly how it happens. |
It would seem you are failing to consider the effects of tenure and the power of unions. |
I think even most unions, and union contracts, where they make provisions for the evaluation of teachers, do so primarily on how well they teach, although I'm sure tenure is a part of it. |
But the point is that once you have tenure it doesn't matter much. Job for life. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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who cares people,
I'll have a new job or soon, or else be dead.
either way is fine with me. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| But it is a given, in the US and Canada, that teachers should be judged on how well they teach, not on physical parameters like age, size, sex, etc. Just because it's somewhat difficult to do doesn't mean it can't be done or that it shouldn't be done. Teachers "back home" are evaluated on their merits -- as teachers -- all the time. It's part of their professional development and the professional development of the school they work in. Whether you like it or not, that's exactly how it happens. |
It would seem you are failing to consider the effects of tenure and the power of unions. |
I think even most unions, and union contracts, where they make provisions for the evaluation of teachers, do so primarily on how well they teach, although I'm sure tenure is a part of it. |
But the point is that once you have tenure it doesn't matter much. Job for life. |
Regardless.
I think we can agree that when teachers in the US and Canada are evaluated, they are done so on their teaching merits. Not on their gender, age, size, or some other arbitrary physical variable. |
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