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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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You're using a contract written by someone who notes:
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| Points written in GREEN ARE ABSOLUTELY ESSENCIAL TO HAVE IN YOUR CONTRACT. |
Um.
Wangja, heh. My employers (British) don't pay overtime, because it would "encourage the staff to work long hours". And yet they insist we sign the working time directive waiver because, um, a normal part of our job is 'showing flexibility' (a.k.a. working long hours).
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Tommy
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hi all, thanks for all the great feedback.
I've been away for a while talking to recruiters/schools so I missed out on all the responses... but I've found a position in the meantime that I'm quite happy with.
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Come on, buddy, get real. I don't see any "flexibility" at all in this contract - you sound like the Korean stereotype of a Western - pushy, demanding, me, me, me. It's vague when it suits you ("clean, sunny apartment," "human rights," "rude students") and specific when it suits you. So many of your terms and conditions depend upon your subjective perceptions.
It sounds like you're not even in Korea. You want a good job? Fly over to Korea and find one yourself - and don't forget to wear your "dressy shorts" to the interview. |
Kenny Kimchee, please remember that I didn't write this contract - a friend of mine showed it to me to use as a guideline. In fact I made a post prior to this one asking the validity of its terms and got minimal responses. To say the least this contract is somewhat anal so when I wrote that I was willing to be flexible I wasn't referring to the contract, I was referring to me. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Tommy wrote: |
Hi all, thanks for all the great feedback.
I've been away for a while talking to recruiters/schools so I missed out on all the responses... but I've found a position in the meantime that I'm quite happy with.
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Come on, buddy, get real. I don't see any "flexibility" at all in this contract - you sound like the Korean stereotype of a Western - pushy, demanding, me, me, me. It's vague when it suits you ("clean, sunny apartment," "human rights," "rude students") and specific when it suits you. So many of your terms and conditions depend upon your subjective perceptions.
It sounds like you're not even in Korea. You want a good job? Fly over to Korea and find one yourself - and don't forget to wear your "dressy shorts" to the interview. |
Kenny Kimchee, please remember that I didn't write this contract - a friend of mine showed it to me to use as a guideline. In fact I made a post prior to this one asking the validity of its terms and got minimal responses. To say the least this contract is somewhat anal so when I wrote that I was willing to be flexible I wasn't referring to the contract, I was referring to me. |
Good for you! Sometimes it takes time to find what you really want. So did you use a recruiter? |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I am glad you found something you can live with and be happy. I hope yuo enjoy your time in Korea. |
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UncleAlex
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject: Porn Stars Hurt? |
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I agree, Peppermint. Porn stars can hurt, especially the vicious ones
who wield the cane in black leather boots.  |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I like this part of the intro to the "ideal" contract...
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| Next to the provincial governors and their assistants, teachers have the highest respect, in Koreans' eyes. In Korea, Teacher's Day is celebrated in the Family Week. A teacher has a respect greater than a Korean's own parents.This is according to the Korean culture, and it is what Korean teachers naturally expect to see from their young and adult students, even till the student is old and gray. Bearing that in mind, you can imagine what kind of treatment and conditions you should expect to see at work, in Korea. Expect it, and it shall be given to you! |
This is basically for KOREAN teachers. I have seen far less respect for foreign teachers here.
I'm sorry, this contract is a farce, it is neither ideal nor logical to sign such a document, especially in Korea, where such a document is considered invalid unless written in Korean and no company would ever translate this in Korean as it would embarrass the school and cause a sh*tstorm with the Korean workstaff.
But in the OP's defense, if you came here with that contract about 8 or 9 years ago, you might be able to get away with it. But these days, under the microscope that scrutinizes us now, I wouldn't even count on it.
Just follow what the others have said, lower your standards alittle or find reasonable bits and pieces you want to find and stick to them- you'll be surprised 
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| agree, Peppermint. Porn stars can hurt, especially the vicious ones who wield the cane in black leather boots. |
But those are the ones that give you candy after they have their way with you.... |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a Canadian acquaintance who used to interview teacher candidates for his foreign-owned hagwon. He told me that the ones who say "I'd prefer to teach adults" are weeded out in the interview process. Just because that's one good sign that the person is going to be demanding and unreasonable. If anybody asking me for a job showed me that contract, I would laugh all the way to the door before I booted them out on their ass. |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| I have a Canadian acquaintance who used to interview teacher candidates for his foreign-owned hagwon. He told me that the ones who say "I'd prefer to teach adults" are weeded out in the interview process. Just because that's one good sign that the person is going to be demanding and unreasonable. If anybody asking me for a job showed me that contract, I would laugh all the way to the door before I booted them out on their ass. |
Sounds like your "acquaintance" is a very narrow minded, shallow, jerk who wouldn't know how to hire a good candidate from a bad one at his new start up hagwon struggling with only 50 students.... if that. Just because someone has a preference for teaching a certain age group does NOT mean they are "demanding or unreasonable." Give me a serious break. FYI, I always said I prefered teaching adults and not just any adults, specifically university students and professional business people AT a well estabilished company or hagwon in business for over 15 years. Demanding enough for you? I had emails constantly and offers all over the place (Poland, Greece, Taiwan and S. Korea) that came in daily. I was never denied a position that I interviewed for except one and I'm glad because I didn't want to work for them anyway. I lost count on how many adult only positions I turned down.
In the end, I got exactly what I wanted. It always amazed me how many hagwons and recruiters would try to convince me to teach children when I have absolutely no experience with them and I told them I only wanted to teach adults. I thought about it but my heart is in teaching adults. If I had opened myself up to teaching any and all age groups, I would have been totally overwhelmed and frustrated with too many emails and phone calls. |
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Kenny Kimchee
Joined: 12 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Tommy wrote: |
Hi all, thanks for all the great feedback.
I've been away for a while talking to recruiters/schools so I missed out on all the responses... but I've found a position in the meantime that I'm quite happy with.
| Kenny Kimchee wrote: |
Come on, buddy, get real. I don't see any "flexibility" at all in this contract - you sound like the Korean stereotype of a Western - pushy, demanding, me, me, me. It's vague when it suits you ("clean, sunny apartment," "human rights," "rude students") and specific when it suits you. So many of your terms and conditions depend upon your subjective perceptions.
It sounds like you're not even in Korea. You want a good job? Fly over to Korea and find one yourself - and don't forget to wear your "dressy shorts" to the interview. |
Kenny Kimchee, please remember that I didn't write this contract - a friend of mine showed it to me to use as a guideline. In fact I made a post prior to this one asking the validity of its terms and got minimal responses. To say the least this contract is somewhat anal so when I wrote that I was willing to be flexible I wasn't referring to the contract, I was referring to me. |
Fair enough. I should have read more closely when you said "The problem might be that I'm tyring to use a contract like this or something similar.. hey, I'm willing to be flexible!" I didn't see your prior post so I wasn't influenced by it and can't comment on it. My apologies. I hope that you secured a suitable position. Good luck. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| YoungLi wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
| I have a Canadian acquaintance who used to interview teacher candidates for his foreign-owned hagwon. He told me that the ones who say "I'd prefer to teach adults" are weeded out in the interview process. Just because that's one good sign that the person is going to be demanding and unreasonable. If anybody asking me for a job showed me that contract, I would laugh all the way to the door before I booted them out on their ass. |
Sounds like your "acquaintance" is a very narrow minded, shallow, jerk who wouldn't know how to hire a good candidate from a bad one. Just because someone has a preference for teaching a certain age group does NOT mean they are "demanding or unreasonable." |
He was an experienced manager. It wasn't based on a hunch. Over time they realized that if somebody specifically asked to teach adults, that was an indicator that there'd be trouble down the line. So they used it as a weeding question.
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| In the end, I got exactly what I wanted. |
OK, I'm pretty sure you're just somebody's joke troll identity, but if you did exist, I'd say I was happy for you. But did the hagwon get what they wanted? That's the relevant point here.
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| It always amazed me how many hagwons and recruiters would try to convince me to teach children. |
Why is that amazing? They wanted to recruit teachers for children. You were a candidate. It's their job to try to convince you to take the job. Hence the title "recruiter". |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| He was an experienced manager. It wasn't based on a hunch. Over time they realized that if somebody specifically asked to teach adults, that was an indicator that there'd be trouble down the line. So they used it as a weeding question. |
The only people who needed a good WEED wacking was that manager and yourself. Sorry, I left my weed wacker back home - I could sure use it now. The weeds are soo out of control here on this forum that I can swear people like you are there growing them to smoke.
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| OK, I'm pretty sure you're just somebody's joke troll identity, but if you did exist, |
I'd prefer if you just pretended that I didn't exist... thank you very much. You self proclaimed "mysogynist" .... just beat it will you. Your internet forum stalking is getting old and tiresome.
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| Why is that amazing? They wanted to recruit teachers for children. You were a candidate. It's their job to try to convince you to take the job. Hence the title "recruiter". |
Another FYI for your consistantly ignorant remarks .... those were hagwon directors who contacted ME for the most part.... not just recruiters. I wasn't necessarily a candidate when I posted my resume on boards and I clearly stated that I was looking to teach primarily adults. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha ha ha SOCK |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Job Interview
A: Listen boss....I will only and I mean only cook the french fries. Don't try to convince me to try the hamurger station. I know everything there is to know about hamburgers.
B: Did you cook hamburgers before?
A: No. My friend's cousin's uncle's wife worked at Mac Donalds ten years ago, so that means I know everything.
B: Okay.....We have your resume on file and we will call you very soon(never). Did you hear about teaching in Korea? You will fit in well.
------forward two months.....
I will only and I mean only teach adults.....blah .. blah ..blah |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: |
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right comparing working in a restaurant to working as a teacher is just so accurate
When you work in a restaurant you have a variety of jobs to do dealing with aspects of food.
Teaching in a school you have the option of choosing which age group you want to work with....elementary/middle/high/college/uni/adults.
If a teacher is more suited to work with adults then that if perfectly okay.
If an employer wants someone who will work with childrent then they should clearly state it on the ad...not have people coming in who wont want the job! |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| I meant it to be a joke. Not really a comparison. I was showing how useless it is to strictly limit anything when you are talking about work. There are many factors involved in choosing a job...not only the age. So it sounds stupid to make such a difficult decision based only age. |
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