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ed4444
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
So, you would oppose a Muslim subjugation of Europe. I'm glad to hear it. If, indeed that is what I am hearing. |
Of course I am against it. There is a zero percent chance of this happening.
Anyone who tells you that any country in Western Europe will be like Iran in the next 30 years is fearmongering. Fearmongering is probably not even a word but it still managed to get George W. enough votes to stay in power.
The far right lives in fear.
Fear of a black planet
Fear of a muslim invasion
Fear of the gay population taking over Brighton. Oops. Too late. |
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ed4444
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, but you fail to recognise that the persecution of religious minorities under Islam is not a perversion, but a constant, inherent part of the religion. |
I "fail" to recognise a lot of your opinions. Its a good thing the majority of Western Europe's voters also fail to recognise them. Otherwise we'd be going back to the days of witchhunts and inquisitions. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| There is a zero percent chance of this happening. |
One in three children born in France is now a muslim. What do you think will be the situation in 50 years? Less terrorism? Less honour killings? More freedom for authors who criticise Islam? More crimes that have 'nothing to do with Islam'?
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| Its a good thing the majority of Western Europe's voters also fail to recognise them. |
Give them time. Many are not as chronically deluded as you, who thinks that the subjugation of religious minorities has 'nothing to do with Islam'. The truth can only be hidden for so long, although I have no doubt that people such as you will still have your heads in the sand.
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Fear of a black planet
Fear of a muslim invasion
Fear of the gay population taking over Brighton. Oops. Too late. |
Spot the strawmen. You are against the Islamification of Europe, so you must be a far-right anti-black, homophobe. Idiot. |
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ed4444
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: |
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You are against the Islamification of Europe, so you must be a far-right anti-black, homophobe. Idiot. |
Did you mean to call me an idiot or did you type a full stop by accident? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: |
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ed4444
Joined: 12 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
One in three children born in France is now a muslim. What do you think will be the situation in 50 years?
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I think France and French culture will still exist. I think Islam will still exist in France.
I think England will still talk up their chances of winning each world cup before blowing it in the knockout stages.
Big Verne will be watching reruns of Alfie Garnet's monologues and singing along. |
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ed4444
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: |
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but, there have been no mass militant conversions of people to christianity on pain of death.
Christianity has nothing on the historic scale of islam's brutal progress. And it is ludicrous to compare the two.
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http://www.chronique.com/Library/MedHistory/charlemagne.htm
Charles gave the conquered Saxons a choice between baptism and death, and had 4500 Saxon rebels beheaded in one day; after which he proceeded to Thionville to celebrate the nativity of Christ.
1572: In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ed4444 wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
One in three children born in France is now a muslim. What do you think will be the situation in 50 years?
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I think England will still talk up their chances of winning each world cup before blowing it in the knockout stages.
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Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. "You can do what you want to our our people, our culture, our freedoms. But leave our entertainment alone!"
Are you that easily satisfied? What do you think your kaffir life will be worth to these Muslims? Read your history.
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| Charles gave the conquered Saxons a choice between baptism and death, and had 4500 Saxon rebels beheaded in one day; after which he proceeded to Thionville to celebrate the nativity of Christ. |
I see you have read your history, warning of the great Christian atrocities to come. Think of what you're saying here. You tell us you believe there will be no Muslim danger from a population whose numbers, if current trends continue, will overtake those of non-Muslims. You see no problem with that, despite the fact that Islam has always disrupted, if not destroyed, the native cultures (this time yours) of every region upon which it has imposed itself. You don't want to face that, so you comfort yourself in the knowledge that the the Franks beheaded the Saxons. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Of Christians in Egypt, yes; at least the equal, if not higher, than peer Moslems. |
This is a country where a Christian nun was recently stabbed to death in the furore over a play made at a church which 'mocked' Islam. The Christian community there is in a precarious position and always in danger if the muslim mob is sufficiently stirred up, which doesn't take much. |
Rapier mentioned standard of living and prosperity, nothing more. Wanja is correct is he not? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Triple post: sorry
Last edited by Wangja on Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Triple post: sorry
Last edited by Wangja on Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Rapier wrote: |
| I didn't think outright lies were permitted on the forum wangja. But now the precedent has been set, ...... |
Had that come form almost anybody else on this board but Rapier I might be upset. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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1572: In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. |
Pope pius v was not christian. He was catholic.
Huguenots were protestants. Christians.
Dude caqtholicism is not christianity.This is why successive popes banned the bible and even burned people at the stake for translating it. And why catholicism has so much blood on its hands, not to mention its vast record of paedophilia. It has crucial differences to christianity that are regarded as blasphemy by the mainstream church. It is an offshoot, a perversion of true christianity and one of the biggest persecutors of christians down the centuries- competing even with islam for the title of "most christians killed".
Anyway...as i say..there is no christian nation in the world today that persecutes muslims. The bible is against persecution of others, it does not reccomend the killing of muslims.
Unlike the Quran of course which is little more than "Mein kampf" in arabic. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Ooh, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on Santaria, Wicca, and the DaVinci Code. Good thing you don't have an a agenda or a bias or anything. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Whilst this incident is not a matter of pride, it is a non-religious riot ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/16/newsid_2540000/2540025.stm
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1983: England fans rampage in Luxembourg
More than 20 English football supporters have been arrested in Luxembourg after a night of violence. |
It was not the only such incident.
(Catholics are not Christians???? - Spread some of your smoke around R will you?) |
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