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Lost my job---female wanted by mothers
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jajdude, I'm sorry your director wasn't as persistent as mine. I recently got hired as teacher of the 3-4-year-old class.

The customers at my school went up in arms not because of my gender, but because of my age. The director asked the customers to give us until the middle of November, when they will arrange a parents' visiting day.

On Monday, 3 of the 4 mommies showed up, the fourth being too busy because she is the director of the school. All three were pleased. One of them promised to bring in some business through word-of-mouth advertising. We are very hopeful, because she has already brought in a few customers for the 5-year-old class.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder about the idea of sexual discrimination. While this would certainly be the case in the States, it is not so clear here. For example, in the States, you cannot advertise for a male or female specifically. I see that here all of the time.

As in the States and elsewhere, these ideas take time to develop, and even then they are controversial. Here the idea of discrimination is certainly nascent.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's also fueled by the fact that 75% of foreign teachers are male, and many jobs involve working with little kids, a traditionally female occupation here in Korea.

It can work the opposite way in the west. My friend is a school teaching assistant. He has a lot of advantages. He's a big guy, and some females are afraid to work with certain troubled kids or have trouble moving around heavier handicapped kids. He currently has a really cushy job working mostly with a very smart and very physically disabled teenage boy. The boy's family is Muslim. They wouldn't be too pleased with a woman helping him use the toilet. I don't know if they were able to insist on a male (it would be reasonable in this case), but the fact that my friend is one of a very small pool of male TAs in his district I'm sure helped him land the job. He also had a job where he was assigned to a sometimes wildly out of control boy that most women would be fearful of but was no intimidation to my friend.

I think that on the whole we are better off than we think, and I hate working with little Korean children so I guess it's not an issue to me, though it would be nice if Korean employers were at least more upfront about things like this.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is pretty shocking the way that some schools 'profile' what sort of teacher they'll hire. And getting fired for being male is a terrible story, better luck next time op.

As an experienced teacher with over three years experience, I'm positive that I've not been considered for loads of jobs as I'm male and British. I've actually had recruiters tell me this.

I'm sure a north American blonde airhead girl fresh out of university has probably a 100 times easier time in securing a reasonable job offer. Not saying that all recent graduates, north Americans or women are airheads but this bias is a fact. Every instance I've personally heard about from people regarding 'midnight runs' has always had a girl or girls as the runner(s).

I've completed three contracts, I've had about 2 sick days in my entire time in Korea, I'm a diligent and conscientous teacher,I even speak 'proper' English rather than that muddled noise that some Americans speak Wink I have a pretty neutral accent and many Koreans have actually told me how much they prefer my accent to a NA one.

Discrimination sucks. I've seen a few jobs saying they prefer male teachers, I wonder how girls feel about that.
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Lost my job---female wanted by mothers Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
But it is a given, in the US and Canada, that teachers should be judged on how well they teach, not on physical parameters like age, size, sex, etc. Just because it's somewhat difficult to do doesn't mean it can't be done or that it shouldn't be done. Teachers "back home" are evaluated on their merits -- as teachers -- all the time. It's part of their professional development and the professional development of the school they work in. Whether you like it or not, that's exactly how it happens.

It would seem you are failing to consider the effects of tenure and the power of unions.

I think even most unions, and union contracts, where they make provisions for the evaluation of teachers, do so primarily on how well they teach, although I'm sure tenure is a part of it.

But the point is that once you have tenure it doesn't matter much. Job for life.


Regardless.

I think we can agree that when teachers in the US and Canada are evaluated, they are done so on their teaching merits. Not on their gender, age, size, or some other arbitrary physical variable.


We can agree on that in general. The problem is that once you have tenure and add in the power of the union, it really doesn't matter what you do beyond breaking the law. I used to be 100% in favor of tenure and unions, but now I don't agree with the first and am ambivalent about the latter. Merit pay and seniority, I say.
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VC



Joined: 10 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungLi wrote:
I am saying that Koreans tend to prefer females as ESL teachers and there's nothing wrong with that.

First, you complain about sexism. Then, you defend sexism when it's not directed at you.

Using your logic we could say, "I am saying that Koreans tend to prefer caucasians as ESL teachers and there's nothing wrong with that."
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