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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: I was invaded by your crappy students Reply with quote

My gardener asked me if he could bring his two grandsons over to my house so I could "test" their English conversation ability. Some school assignment of theirs, during their vacation they have to meet a foreigner/any foreigner and converse with them. Or so I gathered.

I can't say I was ecstatic about it, but I agreed as a favour to my gardner. The old coot, what a xenophobe he is at times. But he knows his business, and there are no nationalities or geopolitics or skin colour when it comes to trees and flowers and landscaping. No, wait -- he actually has some strong anti-Japanese views on landscape gardening. But we get along after a fashion, and I don't want to lose him over something stupid. Sure, bring them by and I'll say "Hello, pleased to meet you. What is your name? Where do you live?" I agreed and promptly forgot all about it.

So the inevitable Saturday afternoon arrives, my gardener calls and asks if they can come over. No problem. But guess what? When they get there it isn't just the two grandsons, but a whole friggin' platoon of their friends from school!! Eight or nine of them I think there was. Jesus! Oh, and this "test" of their English ability -- man, what a complete farce! First of all, only one or maybe two of the children could even speak English beyond "yes" and "no".

I'd ask them some simple questions in English and they'd either not understand or answer in one-word Korean. So I asked simpler ones. And then I finally asked in Korean. Really, they'd just sit there and figdet and say... nothing. It wasn't a test of English at all, it was a test of wills, a test of patience -- name, rank and serial number and NO MORE! That kind of thing. We'd pulled out some deck chairs and my gardener had it arranged like some sort of interrogation scene, with me, the Grand Inquisitor, in one chair and one of the kids in the opposite "hot seat". So I decided we'd all sit on the lawn... more comfortable and sociable. Nothing worked. They just WOULD not or COULD not speak English.

And remember, there's a pack of them. So when I'm "conversing" (ha!!!) with one of them, the rest are basically running wild around the garden, front & back of the house, everywhere. And 200 trips to the bathroom. I made the stupid mistake of not putting the dogs in their pen, so playing with the dogs became another distraction.

When this mutually painful exercise in futility had mercifully reached an end, and I had confirmed that almost none of them could speak any English, I dutifully signed all of their confirmation letters indicating that they COULD speak English. Rolling Eyes Oh, but don't think signing off on this charade was a simple formality, no sir. No ma'am. That bloody verification form, Jesu Christo, what an infernal invasion of privacy that was. Name, address, home phone number (I lied), business phone number (I lied), occupation, DOB, Date of Arrival in the Republic, and yadda, yadda, yadda it went. *beep*, I've filled out security clearance forms almost as intrusive as that. Shocked

And that was the end of it, right? Wrong. They each -- EACH -- had to have their photo taken with "that foreigner" as further proof that they really in fact did go out and find some innocent, unsuspecting big-nose to harass for this pointless exercise in dishonesty. (Hm. Maybe teaching young children they ways of dishonesty isn't really so pointless in Korea, but that's fodder for another thread.)

"Yes, all very funny, Guru, you long-winded pompous ass, but exactly where are you going with all of this?"

Well, here. Despite it all -- and I can't deny it was a pain trying to get them to use what little English they might have -- I kinda had fun that day.

(But I must say, they're really crappy at English. Sorry, but they were.)
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xtchr



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to my world Smile
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Col.Brandon



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a garden?

I thought only the people in the drama shows were rich enough to have gardens?
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col.Brandon wrote:
You have a garden?

I thought only the people in the drama shows were rich enough to have gardens?

I can understand how you and many others think so. I once thought so, too. This is off topic, but it's a common misconception that I'm always only too happy to disabuse people of.

Houses and houses with gardens have only become _remarkable_ (as in "worthy of remark", not as in "striking" or "incredible") fairly recently as modern Korean history goes. Given than over 10% of Gangnam apartments are valued at more than 1 billion won, while most houses (even in Seoul) sell for less than 1 billion won, you can see that for all their (largely apparent) rarity, houses -- even those with nice big gardens -- really aren't unreasonably expensive. Yet. If we were in Tokyo or other large Japanese cities, I wouldn't be able to say this.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col.Brandon wrote:
You have a garden?

I thought only the people in the drama shows were rich enough to have gardens?


The Jongnoster did pretty well for himself during the dot.com boom. He got out before the crash.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It kind of makes you miss those "Hello! Hi!" kids you run into on the street, doesn't it?

The teachers who give out these asinine assignments should be drawn and quartered with very weak horses so their agony is as long and drawn out as the foreigners suffered who've been afflicted with their bright idea.

In the spirit of blame the victim, you are the one who screwed up. You should have set a time limit of 30 minutes max, for this ordeal. It's my firm conviction that kids have very little worthwhile to say in any language, and Korean kids even less. You can't make a conversation out of "I slept all weekend. I played video games. On my vacation I went to Woraksan for two days (most of it spent in the car getting there and back)."
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neandergirl



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This kind of thing happens on just about every visit to Seattle's Best - although it's usually just 2 or 3 of 'em and we don't sit on the lawn.
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if your gardener had already warned them against tromping all over your plants? that's what happens when new kids come to our house; and some of the regulars too! Evil or Very Mad

i missed their age, but your story is quite familiar to me. you'd be surprised though, how fast they pick up the language, just having fun in a nurturing environment.




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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
It kind of makes you miss those "Hello! Hi!" kids you run into on the street, doesn't it?

The teachers who give out these asinine assignments should be drawn and quartered with very weak horses so their agony is as long and drawn out as the foreigners suffered who've been afflicted with their bright idea.

Well, I certainly didn't know what I was getting myself into when I agreed to do it. But I can only blame my gardener -- not the teacher(s) -- for dumping that mob on me when he'd only mentioned his two grandchildren.

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In the spirit of blame the victim, you are the one who screwed up. You should have set a time limit of 30 minutes max, for this ordeal.

I didn't even think to set a time limit. I just didn't know what I was supposed to be doing, how was I supposed to "test" them. Now that I recall, one of the kids had a wadded-up copy of printed instructions for "Dear Foreigner!".... Yeah, it was in Hangul and Konglish, and it had that standard 'regimental' outline of DASHES (--) and BAUBLES (��) marching down the page... Like it's barking orders at you more than providing helpful instructions for someone who's only participating in this mad scheme to be kind:

�� Confirm proper vocabulary of student!

�� Confirm proper pronunciation of student!

�� Confirm proper diction of student!

�� Confirm proper blah blah blah!

Hell, it took me a while just to confirm they had a proper pulse! You know, I should have appended a special note to their teacher: "Your students have a bright future ahead of them -- AS A NINE-MAN MIME TROUPE!"

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It's my firm conviction that kids have very little worthwhile to say in any language, and Korean kids even less. You can't make a conversation out of "I slept all weekend. I played video games. On my vacation I went to Woraksan for two days (most of it spent in the car getting there and back)."

Oh yeah? Well, it's my firm conviction that your students could blast these ones out of the water. Maybe YOUR students can put sentences like those together, but these children were hopeless! It was like pulling teeth to get them to nod 'yea' or 'nay'. Oh right: "Confirm their diction!" Rolling Eyes Definitely ridiculous. (Or for some Dave's readers: "definatly rediculus")
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Ody



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
[...these children were hopeless! It was like pulling teeth to get them to nod 'yea' or 'nay'. Oh right: "Confirm their diction!" Rolling Eyes Definitely ridiculous. (Or for some Dave's readers: "definatly rediculus")


about how old were they?


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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ody wrote:
JongnoGuru wrote:
[...these children were hopeless! It was like pulling teeth to get them to nod 'yea' or 'nay'. Oh right: "Confirm their diction!" Rolling Eyes Definitely ridiculous. (Or for some Dave's readers: "definatly rediculus")


about how old were they?

Fifteen or sixteen years old. Perhaps a bit older. Seriously? I'd guess about eleven or so. They can all do a terrific impersonation of a clam. What age would that place them? And at what age can they apply to Mime Hagwon?

I know I seem to be calling them stupid (they're not) and their assignment a joke in its conception and execution (and was it ever!). But really, the main point of the story, and why I even bothered relating it on Dave's, is in the final line. Okay, the penultimate line if you include the small print.


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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want us to actually THINK you're in our league, here?

You didn't even get Ddong-chimmed once, Guru!

One cannot become a hagwon teacher merely by having some kids over for 'testing of English ability.' To be a true 'English Teacher', you must endure having a six year-old's fingers shoved up your cooster at least once: MINIMUM!

Damned imposters!
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBlackEquus wrote:
You want us to actually THINK you're in our league, here?

You didn't even get Ddong-chimmed once, Guru!

One cannot become a hagwon teacher merely by having some kids over for 'testing of English ability.' To be a true 'English Teacher', you must endure having a six year-old's fingers shoved up your cooster at least once: MINIMUM!

Damned imposters!

Okay, fair enough, I didn't get ddong-chimmed. So maybe I wasn't "invaded" by students in quite that way. And were I to declare that "I feel your pain", perhaps many of you would snicker for reasons I didn't immediately understand. And yes, maybe your war wounds are deeper & more real than mine, which I guess are nothing more than the Hollywood glue-on type. And maybe my time in the trenches was only a few hours of teeth-pulling on a sunny afternoon out in the garden.

But so what of it? Surely there's more to the ESL experience than being anally violated. Surely it's not just a matter of how many years you put in. However brief, however tame, however (relatively) painless, I can now say: "I've seen action!" I've tasted combat! I'm battle-tested, baby! I've see genuine, frustrating, poorly directed, hand-to-hand warfare of the ESL variety. And the real kick of it was.... it was actually kind of fun.

If one could somehow remove all the side issues, the whole money /livelihood / scheduling / administration / credentials / degree / crazy boss / useless co-teacher / visa nonsense out of the equation and JUST look at it as... as an exercise, a puzzle, a challenge (Goal of Game: Get these kids to learn and use some English) then it could be fun. I mean, that's what I felt. Yeah, it WAS really frustrating and confusing for me, and I don't know who was more embarrassed, me or the kids. But even still, there was an element of challenge and fun to it.

I don't know that I'd ever be a good teacher, even if I worked at it. But now I know that there's something there that I liked. Though you're probably right, Equus. One ddong-chim and I might hate the very thought of teaching.
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Ody



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, they're older than i imagined!

JongnoGuru wrote:
But really, the main point of the story, and why I even bothered relating it on Dave's, is in the final line. Okay, the penultimate line if you include the small print.


this line was certainly the one that got me, and the one that inspired my first post in this thread.
JongnoGuru wrote:
...Well, here. Despite it all -- and I can't deny it was a pain trying to get them to use what little English they might have -- I kinda had fun that day.


i teach a great variety of students, ranging from age 6 to 56, at various levels from learning phonics to preparing for the GMAT. i love teaching them all and i think it's cool that you got a hint of how gratifying teaching can be.


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guangho



Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="JongnoGuru"]
BigBlackEquus wrote:


But so what of it? Surely there's more to the ESL experience than being anally violated.


Nope, that's pretty much it. Cool

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maybe your war wounds are deeper & more real than mine, which I guess are nothing more than the Hollywood glue-on type. And maybe my time in the trenches was only a few hours of teeth-pulling on a sunny afternoon out in the garden.Surely it's not just a matter of how many years you put in. However brief, however tame, however (relatively) painless, I can now say: "I've seen action!" I've tasted combat! I'm battle-tested, baby! I've see genuine, frustrating, poorly directed, hand-to-hand warfare of the ESL variety. And the real kick of it was.... it was actually kind of fun.


Actually, I kind of had fun too. Smile Don't dare tell a soul.

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If one could somehow remove all the side issues, the whole money /livelihood / scheduling / administration / credentials / degree / crazy boss / useless co-teacher / visa nonsense out of the equation and JUST look at it as... as an exercise, a puzzle, a challenge (Goal of Game: Get these kids to learn and use some English) then it could be fun.


Yeah. But then it wouldn't be Korea, now would it? And we wouldn't get paid 2 mil a month would we? (When we get paid I mean.) Hey, I'm praying for a Uni gig in Peru right now but the salary is 1/3rd of what I (sometimes) made in Korea. We get paid to put up with all that nonsense, to which we could add the jingoistic brainwashed students and their hooker-loving dads and shoe shopping moms.

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I mean, that's what I felt. Yeah, it WAS really frustrating and confusing for me, and I don't know who was more embarrassed, me or the kids. But even still, there was an element of challenge and fun to it.

I don't know that I'd ever be a good teacher, even if I worked at it. But now I know that there's something there that I liked.


And that, my friend, is one more reason I want that Peru uni gig.

Hey good job Guru. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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